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The discussion covers various mathematical problems, including the weak topology on infinite dimensional topological vector spaces, properties of matrix groups, and integrals involving continuous functions. Key solutions include proving that the weak topology is not induced by a norm and demonstrating that certain integral curves on Riemannian manifolds are geodesics. Participants also engage in detailed discussions about the electrostatic potential of charged surfaces and the implications of different integration methods. The thread highlights collaborative problem-solving and the importance of clarity in mathematical communication.
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nuuskur said:Assume for a contradiction \sigma (V,V') is metrisable. The Banach space V' is infinite dimensional. Since \sigma (V,V') is a metrisable locally convex topology, its neighborhood basis of zero is generated by a sequence of seminorms p_{\varphi _n}, where \varphi _n\in V', n\in\mathbb N. Wo.l.o.g this basis can be expressed as
<br /> S_{n} := \bigcap _{k=1}^n \varphi _k^{-1} (B(0,1)),\quad n\in\mathbb N.<br />
Take \varphi \in V'. Fix \varepsilon >0. Due to continuity w.r.t \sigma (V,V') we have S_{N_\varepsilon} \subseteq \varphi ^{-1}(B(0,\varepsilon)) for some N_\varepsilon\in\mathbb N. Put N := \min _\varepsilon N_\varepsilon. Then x\in \bigcap _{k=1}^N \mathrm{Ker}\varphi _k implies x\in \mathrm{Ker}\varphi. Equivalently, \varphi \in \mathrm{span}(\varphi _1,\ldots, \varphi _N). Thus, V' admits a countable spanning set, which is impossible. Therefore, \sigma (V,V') cannot be metrisable.
I guess the idea is correct, but it is unclear to me why you work with the ##\epsilon## and the minimum? Doesn't the following work instead?
Let ##\varphi \in V^*##. Then there exists ##n## with ##S_n = \bigcap_{k=1}^n \varphi_k^{-1}(B(0,1)) \subseteq \varphi^{-1}(B(0,1))##. This implies that ##\bigcap_{k=1}^n \ker \varphi_k \subseteq \ker \varphi##: indeed if ##\varphi_k(x)=0## for ##k=1, \dots, n##, then also ##\varphi_k(tx)=0## for all ##t\in \Bbb{R}## and thus ##tx\in S_n\subseteq \varphi^{-1}(B(0,1))##, so that ##t\varphi(x) \in B(0,1)##. Since this holds for all ##t \in \Bbb{R}##, this forces ##\varphi(x)=0##. You then can conclude like you did.
I think it is non-trivial that you can choose the basis like you did: I agree that the topology ##\sigma(V,V')## is generated by the seminorms ##\{p_f: f \in V^*\}##. But then the following two questions remain:
(1) How does metrizability imply that you can choose ##(f_n)_n## such that the family of seminorms ##\{p_{f_n}: n \geq 1\}## still generate the topology? (Provide proof or a reference).
(2) Why can we choose the basis in this particular form: i.e. as inverse images of the unit ball?
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This is what I got so far, but my expertise here is lacking to say the least, if you've any skills here please correct what I've got (or anybody really) as Topology is really new to me, thanks.fresh_42 said:Summary:: Functional Analysis, Topology, Differential Geometry, Analysis, Physics
Authors: Math_QED (MQ), Infrared (IR), Wrobel (WR), fresh_42 (FR).
9. Let ##(X,d)## be a compact metric space and ##f:X\to X## be a mapping onto. Assume that ##d(f(x),f(y))\le d(x,y),\quad \forall x,y\in X.## Show that ##d(f(x),f(y))= d(x,y),\quad \forall x,y\in X.## (WR)
Work: ##f:X\to X## is continuous by Munkres' Topology Theorem 21.1, pg 129 which is the ##\epsilon -\delta## definition of continuity of ##f:X\to Y## for metric spaces ##X## and ##Y## with respective metrics ##d_X## and ##d_Y##, here taking ##X=Y## and metrics ##d_X (x,y) = d_Y (x,y) :=d(x,y)## since given ##x\in X## and ##\epsilon >0, \forall n\in \mathbb{N}## choose ##\delta_n = \epsilon +\tfrac{1}{n}## such that ##d_X(x,y)<\delta _n = \epsilon +\tfrac{1}{n}\implies d_Y(f(x), f(y)) \leq d_X (x,y) < \epsilon +\tfrac{1}{n}\implies d_X(f(x),f(y)) < \epsilon## where the business with adding the ##\tfrac{1}{n}## term I'm not certain is quite right but was intended to deal with the strictness of the inequalities.
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sure it is continuous ,moreover it is Lipschitzbenorin said:ork: is continuous by Munkres' Topology Theorem 21.1, pg 129 which
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It does work. I don't really understand your objection, though. Similarly, one could ask why you would work with the following if some other method is also sufficient. I think it's apples and oranges. I might be wrong.Math_QED said:I guess the idea is correct, but it is unclear to me why you work with the ##\epsilon## and the minimum? Doesn't the following work instead?
Let ##\varphi \in V^*##. Then there exists ##n## with ##S_n = \bigcap_{k=1}^n \varphi_k^{-1}(B(0,1)) \subseteq \varphi^{-1}(B(0,1))##. This implies that ##\bigcap_{k=1}^n \ker \varphi_k \subseteq \ker \varphi##: indeed if ##\varphi_k(x)=0## for ##k=1, \dots, n##, then also ##\varphi_k(tx)=0## for all ##t\in \Bbb{R}## and thus ##tx\in S_n\subseteq \varphi^{-1}(B(0,1))##, so that ##t\varphi(x) \in B(0,1)##. Since this holds for all ##t \in \Bbb{R}##, this forces ##\varphi(x)=0##. You then can conclude like you did.
I think it is non-trivial that you can choose the basis like you did: I agree that the topology ##\sigma(V,V')## is generated by the seminorms ##\{p_f: f \in V^*\}##. But then the following two questions remain:
(1) How does metrizability imply that you can choose ##(f_n)_n## such that the family of seminorms ##\{p_{f_n}: n \geq 1\}## still generate the topology? (Provide proof or a reference).
(2) Why can we choose the basis in this particular form: i.e. as inverse images of the unit ball?
Nh basis of zero for \sigma (V,V') is given by the family
<br /> B_{\varepsilon, f_1,\ldots,f_n} := \left\{ x\in V \mid \max\limits_{1\leq j\leq n} |f_j(x)| \leq \varepsilon \right\},\quad \varepsilon > 0,\quad f_1,\ldots,f_n\in V',\quad n\in\mathbb N.<br />
Since V' is a vector space, we can instead take \frac{1}{\varepsilon}f_j and obtain a basis
<br /> B_{1,f_1,\ldots,f_n} = \left\{ x\in V \mid \max\limits _{1\leq j\leq n} |f_j(x)| \leq 1 \right\} = \bigcap _{k=1}^n f_k^{-1}(B(0,1)),\quad f_1,\ldots,f_n\in V',\quad n\in\mathbb N.<br />
The second equality is clear, I think.
<br /> B_{\varepsilon, f_1,\ldots,f_n} := \left\{ x\in V \mid \max\limits_{1\leq j\leq n} |f_j(x)| \leq \varepsilon \right\},\quad \varepsilon > 0,\quad f_1,\ldots,f_n\in V',\quad n\in\mathbb N.<br />
Since V' is a vector space, we can instead take \frac{1}{\varepsilon}f_j and obtain a basis
<br /> B_{1,f_1,\ldots,f_n} = \left\{ x\in V \mid \max\limits _{1\leq j\leq n} |f_j(x)| \leq 1 \right\} = \bigcap _{k=1}^n f_k^{-1}(B(0,1)),\quad f_1,\ldots,f_n\in V',\quad n\in\mathbb N.<br />
The second equality is clear, I think.
Given a locally convex topology its nh basis of zero can be assumed to consist of closed absolutely convex subsets. Let the topology be metrisable, then this basis can be assumed to be countable. Suppose such a basis is S_n,\ n\in\mathbb N. Its generating family of seminorms can be picked as the Minkowski functionals p_{S_n} of basis elements. By Hahn-Banach, there exists \varphi _n\in V' s.t |\varphi _n | \leq p_{S_n},\quad n\in\mathbb N.
More generally, nh basis of zero generated by seminorms is given as
<br /> B_{\varepsilon, n} = \left\{ x\in V \mid \max\limits_{1\leq j\leq n} p_{S_j}(x) \leq \varepsilon \right\},\quad \varepsilon >0,\quad n\in\mathbb N.<br />
Now, given n\in\mathbb N and \varepsilon >0, we can find \varepsilon _0 >0 s.t
<br /> \left\{ x\in V \mid \max\limits_{1\leq j\leq n} |\varphi _n(x)| \leq \varepsilon _0 \right\} \subseteq B_{\varepsilon,n}.<br />
Thus, the sequence of functionals \varphi _n also generates a nh basis of zero.
More generally, nh basis of zero generated by seminorms is given as
<br /> B_{\varepsilon, n} = \left\{ x\in V \mid \max\limits_{1\leq j\leq n} p_{S_j}(x) \leq \varepsilon \right\},\quad \varepsilon >0,\quad n\in\mathbb N.<br />
Now, given n\in\mathbb N and \varepsilon >0, we can find \varepsilon _0 >0 s.t
<br /> \left\{ x\in V \mid \max\limits_{1\leq j\leq n} |\varphi _n(x)| \leq \varepsilon _0 \right\} \subseteq B_{\varepsilon,n}.<br />
Thus, the sequence of functionals \varphi _n also generates a nh basis of zero.
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12. Given a positive integer in decimal representation without zeros. We build a new integer by concatenation of the number of even digits, the number of odd digits, and the number of all digits (the sum of the former two). Then we proceed with that number.
Determine whether this algorithm always comes to a halt. What is or should be the criterion to stop?
I don't really know if this is what you're after, but for any given integer with 4 or more digits there will be either at least 2 even digits or at least 2 odd digits, and the next pass of the algorithm will always reduce the length of that string by at least one digit. You can just keep doing this until you get down to 3 digits, which are either
##\{\text{even}, \text{even}, \text{even}\} \implies 303 \implies 123##
##\{\text{even}, \text{even}, \text{odd}\} \implies 213 \implies 123##
##\{\text{even}, \text{odd}, \text{odd}\} \implies 123##
##\{\text{odd}, \text{odd}, \text{odd}\} \implies 033 \implies 123##
And I guess if you start off with an integer with 1 or 2 digits, the next pass gives you a 3 digit number and we're back to the above.
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I had a more formal argument in mind, but ok. I think you mistyped 013. Also I guess is a bit thin. And you could have actually answered the questions. However, these are only formal deficits.etotheipi said:I don't really know if this is what you're after, but for any given integer with 4 or more digits there will be either at least 2 even digits or at least 2 odd digits, and the next pass of the algorithm will always reduce the length of that string by at least one digit. You can just keep doing this until you get down to 3 digits, which are either
##\{\text{even}, \text{even}, \text{even}\} \implies 303 \implies 123##
##\{\text{even}, \text{even}, \text{odd}\} \implies 213 \implies 123##
##\{\text{even}, \text{odd}, \text{odd}\} \implies 123##
##\{\text{odd}, \text{odd}, \text{odd}\} \implies 013 \implies 123##
And I guess if you start off with an integer with 1 or 2 digits, the next pass gives you a 3 digit number and we're back to the above.
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Point of http://ssdnm.mimuw.edu.pl/pliki/wyklady/PlebanekAbstrakt_us.pdf
Assume for a contradiction C[0,1] is isomorphic to a dual Banach space.
Take a sequence of functions with norm 1 in C[0,1] and with pairwise disjoint support. For instance, pick a sequence of pairwise disjoint intervals in [0,1] and pick a function whose support is that interval. The linear span of this sequence is dense in c_0: match the sequence with the canonical basis in c_0.
The space C[0,1] is separable. By Theorem 3.1 (Sobczyk), the closed copy of c_0 is complemented in C[0,1]. By assumption c_0 is complemented in a dual Banach space. Dual Banach spaces are complemented in their second dual, therefore c_0 is complemented in its second dual, which is \ell _\infty. But this contradicts Theorem 3.2 (Phillips-Sobczyk), by which c_0 can't be complemented in \ell _\infty. Thus, C[0,1] can't be isomorphic to a dual Banach space.
Take a sequence of functions with norm 1 in C[0,1] and with pairwise disjoint support. For instance, pick a sequence of pairwise disjoint intervals in [0,1] and pick a function whose support is that interval. The linear span of this sequence is dense in c_0: match the sequence with the canonical basis in c_0.
The space C[0,1] is separable. By Theorem 3.1 (Sobczyk), the closed copy of c_0 is complemented in C[0,1]. By assumption c_0 is complemented in a dual Banach space. Dual Banach spaces are complemented in their second dual, therefore c_0 is complemented in its second dual, which is \ell _\infty. But this contradicts Theorem 3.2 (Phillips-Sobczyk), by which c_0 can't be complemented in \ell _\infty. Thus, C[0,1] can't be isomorphic to a dual Banach space.
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I have already stuck at here:
please provide detailsnuuskur said:Take a sequence of functions with norm in and with pairwise disjoint support. For instance, pick a sequence of pairwise disjoint intervals in and pick a function whose support is that interval. The linear span of this sequence is dense in : match the sequence with the canonical basis in .
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wrobel said:I have already stuck at here:
please provide details
Firstly, we want the sequence to be linearly independent, hence pairwise disjoint supports. So, denote it f_n\in C[0,1],\ n\in\mathbb N. We also want an isometry, so pick the f_n with norm 1 i.e make sure f_n reaches the unit sphere. Let the f_n span the subspace K\subseteq C[0,1]. Then put \varphi (f_n) = e_n\in c_0 where e_n = (\underbrace{0,\ldots,1}_{n},0,\ldots),\ n\in\mathbb N. The disjointness of supports guarantees we have an isometry.
Let a:=\sum _{k=1}^\infty \lambda _ke_k\in c_0 and \varepsilon >0. Take N\in\mathbb N such that \left \|\sum _{k>N} \lambda _ke_k \right \| <\varepsilon. So a is close to \varphi \left ( \sum _{k=1}^N \lambda _kf_k \right ). Now \overline{\varphi (K)} = c_0 implies \overline{K} \cong c_0.
Let a:=\sum _{k=1}^\infty \lambda _ke_k\in c_0 and \varepsilon >0. Take N\in\mathbb N such that \left \|\sum _{k>N} \lambda _ke_k \right \| <\varepsilon. So a is close to \varphi \left ( \sum _{k=1}^N \lambda _kf_k \right ). Now \overline{\varphi (K)} = c_0 implies \overline{K} \cong c_0.
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ok
please explain the next step:
please explain the next step:
nuuskur said:By assumption is complemented in a dual Banach space.
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wrobel said:ok
please explain the next step:
Remark. Formally, the terminology is ".. is a complemented subspace of ..", but I'm used to saying " .. is complemented in ..".
Let a closed subspace K\subseteq X^* be complemented in X^*. In other words, there exist continuous maps \alpha : K \to X^* and \beta : X^* \to K such that \beta\circ \alpha = \mathrm{id}_{K}. Denote j_X :X\to X^{**} the canonical embedding, then we have a projection j_{K}\circ\beta\circ (j_X)^*\circ\alpha ^{**} onto j_K(K)\cong K. One can show the following diagram (there's a typo - it should read \beta\circ \alpha = \mathrm{id}_K) is commutative
..it's a routine check, but it takes some time and I'm too tired right now.
Let a closed subspace K\subseteq X^* be complemented in X^*. In other words, there exist continuous maps \alpha : K \to X^* and \beta : X^* \to K such that \beta\circ \alpha = \mathrm{id}_{K}. Denote j_X :X\to X^{**} the canonical embedding, then we have a projection j_{K}\circ\beta\circ (j_X)^*\circ\alpha ^{**} onto j_K(K)\cong K. One can show the following diagram (there's a typo - it should read \beta\circ \alpha = \mathrm{id}_K) is commutative
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Alright, I'm recharged now.nuuskur said:Remark. Formally, the terminology is ".. is a complemented subspace of ..", but I'm used to saying " .. is complemented in ..".
Let a closed subspace K\subseteq X^* be complemented in X^*. In other words, there exist continuous maps \alpha : K \to X^* and \beta : X^* \to K such that \beta\circ \alpha = \mathrm{id}_{K}. Denote j_X :X\to X^{**} the canonical embedding, then we have a projection j_{K}\circ\beta\circ (j_X)^*\circ\alpha ^{**} onto j_K(K)\cong K.
<br /> \begin{align*}<br /> (j_{X^*} \circ \alpha)(k)(x^{**}) &=j_{X^*}(\alpha (k))(x^{**}) \\<br /> &= x^{**}(\alpha(k)) \\<br /> &=\alpha ^* (x^{**})(k) \\<br /> &= j_K(k)(\alpha ^*(x^{**})) \\<br /> &=\alpha ^{**}(j_K(k))(x^{**}) \\<br /> &= (\alpha ^{**} \circ j_K)(k)(x^{**}).<br /> \end{align*}<br />
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In which dual space c_0 is complemented? By which assumption?nuuskur said:By assumption is complemented in a dual Banach space.
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The assumption is C[0,1] (which is separable) is isomorphic to a dual Banach space X^*. By Sobczyk's theorem c_0 is complemented in X^* \cong C[0,1].wrobel said:In which dual space c_0 is complemented? By which assumption?
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Oh now I see. It looks correct. But by the Krein–Milman theorem it would be easier
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nuuskur said:@Math_QED Perhaps, you've been busy or you just missed #125.
Yes, sorry for the delay in a couple of days I will have time to look at your post.
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