International Professorships/ Working Abroad

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The discussion revolves around the challenges and opportunities of pursuing academic positions abroad, particularly in comparison to the United States. Participants explore the differences in faculty hiring practices, tenure systems, and the necessity of language skills in various countries, as well as the potential pathways to an international academic career.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern about the difficulty of obtaining faculty positions in the US and question whether the situation is better in other countries.
  • One participant suggests that finishing undergraduate studies and obtaining a PhD are essential first steps for an academic career.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of understanding how academic systems operate in other countries, including the existence of post-docs and tenure processes.
  • It is noted that language proficiency is often required for academic positions in non-English speaking countries, with specific mention of Germany's lack of a tenure track and the need for established scientists to secure professorships.
  • Some argue that the academic job market in non-US countries may be equally or more challenging, with a distinction made between elite institutions and the broader availability of "middle class" universities in the US.
  • Participants discuss the differences in employment law between the US and other countries, particularly regarding labor contracts and job security.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the academic job market in different countries, with some suggesting it is equally difficult as in the US, while others highlight specific challenges unique to various regions. There is no consensus on the best approach to securing an academic position abroad.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various factors that could influence the academic job market, including language requirements, the structure of higher education systems, and the legal frameworks governing employment, but these points remain unresolved and contingent on specific circumstances.

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I know that there is a pretty constant bemoaning of how difficult it is to get faculty positions in the US. Is this situation at all different or better in other countries?

US universities often take in people from Europe how about vice versa? What sort of things could you do to get started on a career track that would eventually take you abroad?
 
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The first step is probably finishing your undergraduate studies and then getting a PhD ;-)
 
fss said:
The first step is probably finishing your undergraduate studies and then getting a PhD ;-)

Naturally, but I can't help being a speculator. I actually want to leave the US so I'm more than happy to go. How do the systems in other countries even work and how might you get involved in them?

For example do they have post-docs? How does tenure work? Are there a lot of universities who will take professors that only speak English outside of the anglosphere.

I just kind of want to learn more about it in general does anyone know any resources?
 
In general you will be required to speak the language of whatever country you are aiming for. As for the professorships: That is very different from country to country. In Germany, for example, there is no tenure track. If you want to become a professor, you already need to be an established scientist. But becoming a professor there is most likely not simpler than in the US, as the positions are awarded for a lifetime and as basically all universities have the same level (i.e., you can't just go for a bad school, because all have more or less the same requirements). Also, you'd need to be present in the local science scene (i.e., attend the national conferences and talk to the people with influence etc.)
 
lubuntu said:
I know that there is a pretty constant bemoaning of how difficult it is to get faculty positions in the US. Is this situation at all different or better in other countries?

The moaning is on how difficult it is to get a faculty position in general. The situation in non-US countries is either the same or worse. One thing that the US has is a lot of decent "middle class" universities, whereas most other countries structure their higher education so its either elite or nothing.

US universities often take in people from Europe how about vice versa? What sort of things could you do to get started on a career track that would eventually take you abroad?

Learn a different language. The academic stuff is mostly in English, but if you can read Chinese, then you can read stuff like Chinese newspapers that give you information about things that are going on in China.
 
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For example do they have post-docs?

Generally yes.

How does tenure work?

In Europe pretty much the same as the US. In East Asia, most places don't have anything officially like tenure, but unofficially they do.

Also US employment law in general works very differently than in most other countries. In pretty much every other countries except for the US, if you work at anything, there is a legal requirement for a labor contract, and employers can't fire you at random the way that US employers can.
 

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