Interpretation of differentiation results

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The discussion revolves around understanding the sensitivity of two related variables, Y and K, to an independent variable M, particularly through differentiation of provided equations. Participants are examining the implications of their derivatives and how to quantify the differences in sensitivity between Y and K.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the correctness of differentiation and the concept of sensitivity in relation to the size of the derivative. There are inquiries about how to quantify the sensitivity difference between K and Y using constants from the equations. Some suggest examining asymptotic behavior for various limits of M to understand dependency better.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided feedback on the differentiation attempts, while others are exploring the implications of sensitivity and dependency. There is an ongoing examination of how to approach the problem, with suggestions for testing specific values of M and considering the behavior of the functions involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that all variables are non-negative and provide specific examples of constant values. There is a focus on understanding the behavior of the functions at particular values of M and the complexity of the equations involved.

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Homework Statement


Please see the attached file. I am trying to understand the sensitivity of two related variables - Y and K - to an independent variable M.

a. Is my differentiation of equation 2 correct?
b. I can see that, based on eq. 4, K is more senstive to M than Y is, however I am not sure if I can quantify the difference. Would I be able to do that using the actual values of the constants - N, D, i, and G?
c. How should I describe the dependency of K on M?

Homework Equations


Equations 1 and 2 in the attached file define Y and K. Equations 3 and 4 are derivatives of eqn. 1 and 2, respectively.

The Attempt at a Solution


The attached file shows my work.
 

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part a looks ok to me. not sure what you mean by sensitivity here. is it something to do with the size of the derivative?
 
fourier jr said:
not sure what you mean by sensitivity here. is it something to do with the size of the derivative?
Thanks. Yes, by sensitivity I meant how quickly K is changing with a unit change in M.
 
For dependency, I think it is also valuable to look at asymptotics. Test ##M\to 0+, M\to 0-, M\to +\infty, M\to -\infty## and maybe some other values that make sense, maybe ##M = -D##.
 
musicgold said:

Homework Statement


Please see the attached file. I am trying to understand the sensitivity of two related variables - Y and K - to an independent variable M.

a. Is my differentiation of equation 2 correct?
b. I can see that, based on eq. 4, K is more sensitive to M than Y is, however I am not sure if I can quantify the difference. Would I be able to do that using the actual values of the constants - N, D, i, and G?
c. How should I describe the dependency of K on M?

Homework Equations


Equations 1 and 2 in the attached file define Y and K. Equations 3 and 4 are derivatives of eqn. 1 and 2, respectively.

The Attempt at a Solution


The attached file shows my work.
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Notice that you can write K as:
##\displaystyle k=y\cdot\frac{M+D}{M}-\frac{D\cdot i}{M}##​

Then, substitute y into that.
 
RUber said:
For dependency, I think it is also valuable to look at asymptotics. Test ##M\to 0+, M\to 0-, M\to +\infty, M\to -\infty## and maybe some other values that make sense, maybe ##M = -D##.
All variables are non negative. Here are some examples, N=5, D =50, y=7%, i = 4%, G =0.5.

1. I wish to find out, at any particular value of M, say 60, whether y is more sensitive to a unit change in M than k is. How should I do that?

2. I can visualize how function 3 will look but that is not true about to function 4. What kind of function is it? It has four M values in the denominator, two of which are squared. How should I think about such a complicated equation?
 
if the derivative is larger, it is more sensitive.
Note that dy/dM = -N/(D+M)^2, so if M is 60, you have -N/(D^2+M*) where M*>3600. This is small. If M is 1, the you have -N(D^2+2D+1), so D is much more important.
Use these same principles when looking at dk/dM.
Usually, you can fix all the variables in the equation and only vary one at a time to see what the function does.
 

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