Understanding sensitivity of a variable using derivatives

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The discussion revolves around understanding the sensitivity of a variable K to changes in two other variables, x and y, both of which are positive decimals less than 1. The original poster seeks to quantify how a 1% increase in y affects K, expressing concern that derivatives are not providing clear insights into this relationship.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of derivatives to analyze the sensitivity of K to changes in x and y. There is a focus on calculating the differential of K and the need for specific values of x and y to evaluate the impact of changes in these variables. Some participants question the validity of making general statements about the relationship between percentage changes in y and K.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing guidance on the use of partial derivatives and the differential of K. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in making generalizations about the sensitivity of K, particularly when the denominator in the derivative approaches zero.

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Participants note that the original poster has provided attachments with additional information, but there is a preference for work to be shared directly in the forum for easier discussion. The constraints of the problem include the requirement for specific values of x and y to derive meaningful insights.

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Hi,

Please see the attached file.

Homework Statement



I am trying to figure out K’s sensitivity to x and y. I wish to know which variable K is more sensitive to. Both x and y are positive decimals less than 1.

I want to be able to say a 1% increase in y results in a p% change in K. As the attached file shows, the derivatives are not helping me much here.

How should I go about this problem?

Homework Equations


See the attached file.

The Attempt at a Solution


See the attached file.
 

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musicgold said:
Hi,

Please see the attached file.

Homework Statement



I am trying to figure out K’s sensitivity to x and y. I wish to know which variable K is more sensitive to. Both x and y are positive decimals less than 1.

I want to be able to say a 1% increase in y results in a p% change in K. As the attached file shows, the derivatives are not helping me much here.

How should I go about this problem?

Homework Equations


See the attached file.

The Attempt at a Solution


See the attached file.

If you type up your work I will be happy to look at it. Otherwise, not (along with many other helpers in this forum).
 
musicgold said:
Hi,

Please see the attached file.

Homework Statement



I am trying to figure out K’s sensitivity to x and y. I wish to know which variable K is more sensitive to. Both x and y are positive decimals less than 1.

I want to be able to say a 1% increase in y results in a p% change in K. As the attached file shows, the derivatives are not helping me much here.

How should I go about this problem?
Calculate the differential of K, which is ##dK = \frac{\partial K}{\partial x}dx + \frac{\partial K}{\partial y}dy##
To get a value for the differential, you will need values for x, y, dx, and dy.

BTW, everything you did in longhand and posted as a PDF can be done using LaTeX, and posted directly into this pane. We prefer to see the work here, rather than having to open a PDF or open a window on another site. Posting work as an image makes it difficult for us to insert comments at the precise point where an error appears. We have a LaTeX tutorial here -- https://www.physicsforums.com/help/latexhelp/
 
Please see the problem in Latex form.## K = \frac {1-y} {1-y-x} ## ---------------------- 1

differentiating K by y

## \frac {dK} {dy} = \frac {(-1). (1-y-x) - (1-y) . (-1)} { (1-y-x)^2 } ##

## \frac {dK} {dy} = \frac {x} { 1 + y^2 +x^2 + 2xy -2x-2y } ## ---------------------- 2 differentiating eqn 1 by x

## \frac {dK} {dx} = \frac {0 - (1-y) . (-1)} { (1-y-x)^2 } ##

## \frac {dK} {dx} = \frac {1-y} { 1 + y^2 +x^2 + 2xy -2x-2y } ## ---------------------- 3
 
musicgold said:
Please see the problem in Latex form.## K = \frac {1-y} {1-y-x} ## ---------------------- 1

differentiating K by y

## \frac {dK} {dy} = \frac {(-1). (1-y-x) - (1-y) . (-1)} { (1-y-x)^2 } ##

## \frac {dK} {dy} = \frac {x} { 1 + y^2 +x^2 + 2xy -2x-2y } ## ---------------------- 2
This is really a partial derivative, which in LaTeX looks like this: ## \frac{\partial K} {\partial y}##, and renders like this ##\frac {\partial K} {\partial y}##.
Also, there's really no point in expanding ##(1 - y - x)^2##. Same comments for the work below.

Otherwise, both partials look fine.
musicgold said:
differentiating eqn 1 by x

## \frac {dK} {dx} = \frac {0 - (1-y) . (-1)} { (1-y-x)^2 } ##

## \frac {dK} {dx} = \frac {1-y} { 1 + y^2 +x^2 + 2xy -2x-2y } ## ---------------------- 3

Now plug things into the equation for the differential of K (dK) that I gave in post #3. Since you are holding x fixed, then dx = 0, but you'll need some values for x and y. If all you know is that x < 1 and y < 1, then you might be able to get an upper bound on the size of dK relative to a dy.
 
musicgold said:
Please see the problem in Latex form.## K = \frac {1-y} {1-y-x} ## ---------------------- 1

differentiating K by y

## \frac {dK} {dy} = \frac {(-1). (1-y-x) - (1-y) . (-1)} { (1-y-x)^2 } ##

## \frac {dK} {dy} = \frac {x} { 1 + y^2 +x^2 + 2xy -2x-2y } ## ---------------------- 2 differentiating eqn 1 by x

## \frac {dK} {dx} = \frac {0 - (1-y) . (-1)} { (1-y-x)^2 } ##

## \frac {dK} {dx} = \frac {1-y} { 1 + y^2 +x^2 + 2xy -2x-2y } ## ---------------------- 3

I don't think you can make any convincing general statement like "a ##1\%## change in ##y## produces a ##p\%## change in ##K##". The effect of a ##1\%## change in ##y## depends very much on the base values of ##x## and ##y##, and things become especially tricky when the denominator is small (close to vanishing, but not quite), because in that case the derivatives may present a very misleading picture of the actual changes for given ##\Delta x## and/or ##\Delta y##.
 

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