Interpreting solar event flux units

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The discussion revolves around understanding the units of solar event flux, specifically focusing on the number of protons (or photons) striking a surface area during solar events. Participants explore the implications of the units #/(cm2 s sr) and how to apply them to a 1 m2 surface area facing the sun, including the concept of solid angles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the original inquiry was about protons or photons, suggesting a possible misunderstanding of the terminology.
  • There is a discussion about the solid angle for a surface area facing the sun, with some suggesting that a whole sphere has a solid angle of 4π steradians.
  • One participant proposes that the units of proton flux (#/(cm2 s sr)) are necessary for accurately describing the flux, while others speculate on the relationship between cm2 and steradians.
  • Another participant mentions that to calculate the number of protons hitting a surface, one must multiply the flux by the area and the acceptance solid angle.
  • Concerns are raised about the isotropy of incoming protons, with one participant suggesting that the quoted numbers may overestimate exposure for astronauts due to the assumption of half-space detection.
  • There is a suggestion that for rough estimates, multiplying by a factor of three may be appropriate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the correct interpretation of the units and the nature of the particles involved (protons vs. photons). There is no consensus on the exact solid angle to use or the implications of the flux measurements for astronaut safety, indicating multiple competing views.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential for overestimation in exposure calculations due to the non-isotropic nature of proton flux, and there are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and applications of the units discussed.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in solar physics, space weather, astronaut safety, or those studying the implications of solar events on human activities in space.

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Hi,

I wanted to find the number of protons striking a surface area during a solar event and the units provided are: #/(cm^2 s sr). Say I have a 1 m^2 surface area directly facing the sun, how do I use those units to discover the number of protons/s. What is the value of the solid angle to plug into the units above?
 
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SteveA001 said:
Hi,

I wanted to find the number of protons striking a surface area during a solar event and the units provided are: #/(cm^2 s sr). Say I have a 1 m^2 surface area directly facing the sun, how do I use those units to discover the number of protons/s. What is the value of the solid angle to plug into the units above?
Hello Steve,
:welcome: ##\qquad## !​

You probably mean photons instead of protons :wink: (*) ?

And now you want to find out how many steradians there are in 1 m2 at a distance of sun-earth.

Does it help to know that a solid angle for a whole sphere is 4 ##\pi## steradians ?

(*) [edit] unless I am mistaken -- in which case: do you have a link to the source that provides more context ?

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BvU said:
You probably mean photons instead of protons :wink: (*) ?
Oh, good point. I was about to move this thread from the Optics forum to the Classical Physics forum, but I guess I should wait for the OP to respond...
 
I meant proton flux, sorry if my question is in the wrong section. Why is proton flux given in units of particles cm-2 s-1 sr-1 and not just as particles cm-2 s-1. [A search on "solar flare proton flux" returns pages using those units as the top search results]. Given those tricky units, what is the solid angle? I'm now suspecting that cm2 sr is the same as cm^2 for general purposes, with the steradian definition being a more formal definition of the cross-sectional area of a unit sphere. Just guessing though.
 
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I'm now suspecting that cm2 sr is the same as cm^2 for general purposes, with the steradian definition being a more formal definition of the cross-sectional area of a unit sphere. Just guessing though.
To get an actual number one must
  1. multiply by the area of the detector in cm2
  2. multiply by the acceptance solid angle of the detector in steradians
A one steradian cone has a central axis angle of ~33 degrees.

So operationally the 1 cm2 and 1 steradian detector probably provides a good starting guess
 
I just wanted to know the number of protons hitting a 1 m^2 surface. Is the solid angle of such a 'detector', which is facing directly towards the sun, 2 PI steradians? If so, the answer I want is the particle number they give for proton flux (cm-2 s-1 sr-1) should be multiplied by 2 PI and area? My interest is more in the danger to astronauts than detectors.
 
In fact the incoming proton number is not isotropic and the quoted number is probably a max. The assumption of (half space) 2pi "detection" by the astronaut will therefore overestimate the exposure somewhat but is a reasonable estimate. Heck this ain't rocket science...wait
 
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Ok, multiplying by 3 or so it is, for rough purposes. Thanks for your help.
 
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Report back if this is horribly wrong!
 

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