Intervals of increasing/decreasing Using Inequalities

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying the open intervals on which the function f(x) = 12x - x^3 is increasing or decreasing, utilizing derivatives and inequalities as part of the analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of inequalities to determine intervals of increase and decrease, with some expressing confusion about the transition from x^2 < 4 to x < ±2. Others suggest examining the inequality (x-2)(x+2) < 0 and considering absolute values.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into solving the inequality directly, while others are exploring different methods and expressing uncertainty about their reasoning. There is an ongoing examination of the implications of the inequalities involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note varying levels of familiarity with inequalities, which may affect their ability to interpret the results correctly. There is also a suggestion to start new threads for unrelated problems to maintain clarity in discussions.

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Homework Statement


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Identify the open intervals on which the function ##f(x) = 12x-x^3## is increasing or decreasing

Homework Equations


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##f(x)=12x-x^3##

##\frac {df}{dx} = 12-3x^2 = -3(x^2 - 4)##

The Attempt at a Solution


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I'm reading out of two textbooks. One is a Larson/Edwards text, which says to use test values upon intervals and whatnot. However, my other textbook (Serge Lang), as well as the MIT 18.01 lecture videos I am watching, don't use this method and instead utilize inequalities. I prefer this method, but am having a difficult time exercising it, as my high school did very, very little with inequalities, so my experience is minimal. Here is what I've got:

##f## is increasing when ##f'(x) > 0##

##-3(x^2 - 4) > 0##

##(x^2 - 4) < 0##

##x^2 < 4##

##x < \pm 2##
##x < 2##, ##x< -2## = ##-x > 2##

Here is where I get stuck. I'm not sure how to make sense of this answer. I know that ##f## is increasing on the interval ##(-2, 2)## and decreasing on ##(-\infty, -2)(2, \infty)##, but don't know how to translate my answer to say this. I'm sure I'm either making a simple mistake or am just missing a bit of know-how regarding these types of problems. Any help is greatly appreciated; thanks in advance!
 
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You've made a mistake, think again about what you wrote after x^2 < 4
 
When you go from x^2 &lt; 4 to x &lt; \pm 2 you introduce a problem: notice that -5 &lt; -2 is true but (-5)^2 &lt; 4 is not.

Start with
<br /> x^2 - 4 &lt; 0 \Rightarrow (x-2)(x+2) &lt; 0 <br />

and look at the different cases to solve the inequality.
 
statdad said:
When you go from x^2 &lt; 4 to x &lt; \pm 2 you introduce a problem: notice that -5 &lt; -2 is true but (-5)^2 &lt; 4 is not.

Start with
<br /> x^2 - 4 &lt; 0 \Rightarrow (x-2)(x+2) &lt; 0<br />

and look at the different cases to solve the inequality.

I had noticed this, and immediately thought about absolute values, which is when I realized I was truly lost. I appreciate the insight!
 
Cosmophile said:

Homework Statement


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Identify the open intervals on which the function ##f(x) = 12x-x^3## is increasing or decreasing

Homework Equations


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##f(x)=12x-x^3##

##\frac {df}{dx} = 12-3x^2 = -3(x^2 - 4)##

The Attempt at a Solution


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I'm reading out of two textbooks. One is a Larson/Edwards text, which says to use test values upon intervals and whatnot. However, my other textbook (Serge Lang), as well as the MIT 18.01 lecture videos I am watching, don't use this method and instead utilize inequalities. I prefer this method, but am having a difficult time exercising it, as my high school did very, very little with inequalities, so my experience is minimal. Here is what I've got:

##f## is increasing when ##f'(x) > 0##

##-3(x^2 - 4) > 0##

##(x^2 - 4) < 0##

##x^2 < 4##

##x < \pm 2##
##x < 2##, ##x< -2## = ##-x > 2##

Here is where I get stuck. I'm not sure how to make sense of this answer. I know that ##f## is increasing on the interval ##(-2, 2)## and decreasing on ##(-\infty, -2)(2, \infty)##, but don't know how to translate my answer to say this. I'm sure I'm either making a simple mistake or am just missing a bit of know-how regarding these types of problems. Any help is greatly appreciated; thanks in advance!

Think about the graph ##y = x^2##. For what x-region do you have ##y < 4##?
 
statdad said:
When you go from x^2 &lt; 4 to x &lt; \pm 2 you introduce a problem ...
Cosmophile said:
I had noticed this, and immediately thought about absolute values, which is when I realized I was truly lost. I appreciate the insight!
However, you can work with ##\displaystyle\ x^2 < 4 \ ## more directly.

Take the square root of both sides. (Yes, that preserves the inequality.)

##\displaystyle\ \sqrt{x^2\ } < \sqrt{4\ } \ ##​

Strictly speaking, ##\displaystyle\ \sqrt{x^2\ } = \left|x\right| \ ##, so you have the following inequality.

##\displaystyle\ \left|x\right|<2 \ ##​
 
I ended up doing this:

##x^2 < 4##

## |x| < 2 ##, giving me ##-2 < x < 2##

I'm currently working on:​

##f(x) = \cos\frac {x}{2}, 0 < x < 2\pi##​
So far, I have:

##\frac {df}{dx} = -\frac{1}{2} \sin\frac {x}{2}##

##-\frac{1}{2} \sin\frac {x}{2} > 0##

## \sin\frac {x}{2} > 0##​

## \arcsin\frac {x}{2} > \arcsin 0##​

##\frac {x}{2} > 0##

##x > 0##

Again, I'm confused. I know that, on the interval, f(x) is never increasing.
 
Cosmophile said:
I ended up doing this:

##x^2 < 4##

## |x| < 2 ##, giving me ##-2 < x < 2##​

I'm currently working on:​
##f(x) = \cos\frac {x}{2}, 0 < x < 2\pi##
So far, I have:

##\frac {df}{dx} = -\frac{1}{2} \sin\frac {x}{2}##

##-\frac{1}{2} \sin\frac {x}{2} > 0##

## \sin\frac {x}{2} > 0##

## \arcsin\frac {x}{2} > \arcsin 0##​

##\frac {x}{2} > 0##

##x > 0##

Again, I'm confused. I know that, on the interval, f(x) is never increasing.
Start a new thread for a new problem, unless what you're adding is just a very closely related extension of the original problem.

In this case, best to start a new thread , and state the problem completely in the body of the opening post - no matter how descriptive the title of the thread.
 
Cosmophile said:
I ended up doing this:

##x^2 < 4##

## |x| < 2 ##, giving me ##-2 < x < 2##​

I'm currently working on:​
##f(x) = \cos\frac {x}{2}, 0 < x < 2\pi##
So far, I have:

##\frac {df}{dx} = -\frac{1}{2} \sin\frac {x}{2}##

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Stop! The inequality ##-\sin(u) > 0## is the same as ##+\sin(u) < 0##. Changing the sign on both sides of an inequality reverses the direction of the inequality. This is not hard---just draw a picture.

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##-\frac{1}{2} \sin\frac {x}{2} > 0##

## \sin\frac {x}{2} > 0##

## \arcsin\frac {x}{2} > \arcsin 0##​

##\frac {x}{2} > 0##

##x > 0##

Again, I'm confused. I know that, on the interval, f(x) is never increasing.
 
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Cosmophile said:
I ended up doing this:

##x^2 < 4##

## |x| < 2 ##, giving me ##-2 < x < 2##​

I'm currently working on:​
##f(x) = \cos\frac {x}{2}, 0 < x < 2\pi##
So far, I have:

##\frac {df}{dx} = -\frac{1}{2} \sin\frac {x}{2}##

##-\frac{1}{2} \sin\frac {x}{2} > 0##

## \sin\frac {x}{2} > 0##

## \arcsin\frac {x}{2} > \arcsin 0##​

##\frac {x}{2} > 0##

##x > 0##

Again, I'm confused. I know that, on the interval, f(x) is never increasing.

As SammyS said, please start a new thread for new problems. It keeps thread discussions from getting mixed up between different problems.
 

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