Introduction to Physics: Books for Non-Calculus Learners

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on recommendations for introductory physics books suitable for learners without a calculus background. Participants explore the feasibility of understanding physics concepts without calculus and the necessary mathematical prerequisites for studying physics effectively.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest books like "Physics for Scientists and Engineers" by Tipler and Mosca as basic introductions that avoid heavy mathematical complications.
  • Others argue that physics cannot be adequately understood without calculus, emphasizing that mathematics is essential for expressing physical concepts.
  • There are requests for recommendations on books covering algebra, trigonometry, and precalculus as foundational knowledge before tackling physics.
  • Some participants mention that Newtonian Mechanics requires a minimal understanding of calculus and vectors, indicating that avoiding calculus may hinder learning physics.
  • Several participants inquire about the nature and content of pre-algebra, with discussions on its role as a preparatory course for algebra.
  • There are mentions of online resources like Khan Academy as supplementary materials for learning mathematics relevant to physics.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the possibility of learning physics without a solid foundation in algebra and arithmetic.
  • There are suggestions to start with calculus-based textbooks, but questions arise about the suitability of such recommendations for those lacking basic algebra skills.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether it is possible to learn physics without calculus. There are competing views on the necessity of mathematical prerequisites, with some advocating for a calculus-free approach and others insisting on the importance of calculus for a proper understanding of physics.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of foundational arithmetic and algebra before progressing to physics, indicating that a lack of these skills may impede success in understanding physics concepts.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals seeking to learn physics without a calculus background, as well as those interested in understanding the mathematical prerequisites necessary for studying physics effectively.

Neeleshatom
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Can you recommend books for introduction physics without calculus.That is basic.
 
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My first book in physics was the "Physics for Scientists and Engineers" by P. A. Tipler and G. Mosca, is really very very basic, but covers a very large range of physics without very much mathematical complications, of course, this is a very first introduction, and if you want to learn physics properly you will need calculus soon or later.
 
I cannot recommend any book claiming you can understand physics without calculus. Physics is simply not expressible without the adequate language, which is math (particularly geometry in a wide sense).
 
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Then recommend books from algebra trigonometry pre calculus to calculua
 
Actually, physics starts from Newtonian Mechanics and Newtonian Mechanics is just a very very mininal application of Calculus and vectors. As far as I know differential and integral Calculus is taught by using the concept of distance and speed only. So, it is very hard to avoid Calculus and learn the first course in Physics i.e. Mechanics. If you can give us more of your backhround then we can help you even more.

You can try some science books, there the concept of motion is developed. I think you should have a look at PSSC books, see if you can understand them.
 
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Neeleshatom said:
Can you recommend books for introduction physics without calculus.That is basic.

Typically, these introductory textbooks are titled 'College Physics', as opposed to calculus-based 'University Physics' titles.
 
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Something titled "Elementary Physics", from a few decades ago but I do not remember who was the author; the book was used in an Introductory or Elementary Physics course for college. Intermediate Algebra and some basic Trigonometry were needed.
 
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Neeleshatom said:
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What is pre-algebra?
 
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Adesh said:
What is pre-algebra?
Probably arithmetic.
 
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archaic said:
Probably arithmetic.
Then I won't recommend going for physics too early. We should at least know the fundamental arithmetical operations !
 
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Adesh said:
Then I won't recommend going for physics too early. We should at least know the fundamental arithmetical operations !
Someone already recommended Khan Academy to the OP on another post. I guess he's more eager to read books, though.
 
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Adesh said:
What is pre-algebra?
Survey course, OR introductory material for Introductory/Elementary Algebra, and can often be the same as Introductory Algebra with some parts omitted or given reduced instruction emphasis. Pre-Algebra could often be skipped, because Introductory/Elementary Algebra is more complete, does the same as what "Pre-Algebra" will do, and is a better choice for most students. "Pre-Algebra" might be a good choice for a weaker student.

Yes, yes, yes, yes... Pre-Algebra can and should contain a condensed review of basic Arithmetic. The idea for designing such a course called "Pre-Algebra" is to teach a course which will prepare the student to study Algebra 1.
 
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symbolipoint said:
Survey course, OR introductory material for Introductory/Elementary Algebra, and can often be the same as Introductory Algebra with some parts omitted or given reduced instruction emphasis. Pre-Algebra could often be skipped, because Introductory/Elementary Algebra is more complete, does the same as what "Pre-Algebra" will do, and is a better choice for most students. "Pre-Algebra" might be a good choice for a weaker student.
I think the notions of plus, minus, multiply, divide, fraction, LCM, HCF and the word problems regarding them are the only things that we need as an prerequisite for elementary algebra?
 
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Just to be thorough with everything
 
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Adesh said:
I think the notions of plus, minus, multiply, divide, fraction, LCM, HCF and the word problems regarding them are the only things that we need as an prerequisite for elementary algebra?
Sure. I am just telling what is the course, "Pre-Algebra". See my previous post, since I edited to add something to it. The course is offered in many schools. I believe it is really for weaker students, and for students who can use a brief review of basic Arithmetic, before heading into Algebra 1.
 
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Neeleshatom said:
Can you recommend books for introduction physics without calculus.

It sounds like you also want one without algebra as well. That is unlikely.
 
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Are openstax books any good?I have it from pre algebra to calculus.
 
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And have finished pre algebra🤔 in it
 
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Neeleshatom said:
Are openstax books any good?I have it from pre algebra to calculus.
And will finish pre algebra within the next three dayd
 
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Neeleshatom said:
Thank you
You are welcome!
 
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Neeleshatom said:
And will finish pre algebra within the next three dayd
As far as I have lived my life, I have found that completing something is very different from learning something which in its turn is totally different from using something.
 
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Start with a good calculus-based introductory textbook like Tipler or Haliday and Resnick. As I said before I do not recommend to learn "calculus-free" physics. It's a contradiction in itself. Physics cannot even be formulated or talked about without a minimum of calculus. To begin with classical mechanics you only need derivatives and integrals for functions of one variable.
 
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Then recommend good pre calculus and calculus bookz
 
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vanhees71 said:
Start with a good calculus-based introductory textbook like Tipler or Haliday and Resnick.

For someone who doesn't even have algebra? Do you think he is likely to be successful?
 
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Adesh said:
Then I won't recommend going for physics too early. We should at least know the fundamental arithmetical operations !
"There's a saying attributed to Eichler that there are five fundamental operations of arithmetic: addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, and modular forms." - A. Wiles
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
For someone who doesn't even have algebra? Do you think he is likely to be successful?
I am always open to suggestions.You can also may help and recommend books on algebra
 
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I know pre algebra. But it is just a refresher course
 

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