Intuition for General/Special Relativity theorems without experiments

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The discussion revolves around the development of theorems in general and special relativity, particularly focusing on the relationship between theoretical physics and experimental evidence. Participants explore how Einstein formulated his theories without conducting experiments himself, contrasting this with the experimental basis of other scientific advancements, such as quantum physics and transistor technology.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how Einstein could develop relativity theories without conducting experiments, suggesting a need for intuition in theoretical physics.
  • Another participant asserts that Einstein did rely on existing experimental facts, such as the Principle of Relativity and the Principle of Equivalence, to formulate his theories.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between theoretical and practical physics, with one participant seeking clarity on whether such a distinction exists.
  • A participant mentions that theorists can rely on the results of experiments conducted by others, highlighting the theorist/experimentalist divide.
  • Reference is made to Dirac's work on magnetic monopoles, emphasizing the role of thought experiments in theoretical development.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of experimental evidence for theoretical development, with some emphasizing the importance of existing experiments while others question the reliance on them without direct experimentation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the theoretical versus practical distinction.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that Einstein's theories were built on established experimental facts, but there is uncertainty about the extent to which theorists can operate independently of experimental data. The discussion also touches on the complexity of mathematical requirements in modern physics.

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I am not a mathematician, so I always used to wonder about following.

"I never heard Einstein conducting any experiments, But how he predicted the physics properties the way it is explained in Relativity Theorems. These are some of the breakthroughs of that time, But without the intuition from the experiments how Relativity Theorems are developed? "

At the same time, How it required experiments to develop the theories related to invention of the transistor, Like a new branch of Quantum Psychics to account for the odds they observed.

Also,
How theoretical physics related to practical physics, how they evolve ?
Can anyone point me to the resources to develop this mathematical intuition.
I could be asking a totally stupid question here.
 
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There were many experiments involved in Einstein's theories.

In special relativity, he used the fact that you can drink coffee in an aeroplane just the same as you were stationary on the ground. He assumed this is true for all speeds. This is the "Principle of Relativity".

In general relativity, he used the fact that different materials of different masses always fall to the ground at the same time. This is worked into his "Principle of Equivalence"

So Einstein used old experiments that everyone can do, and built his theories by assuming that these old experimental facts could be generalized to very high speeds, or to very strong gravitational fields.

Apart from the Principle of Relativity, Einstein also used Maxwell's equations, which are based on experiments by Ampere, Faraday etc.
 
Thanks for your reply, I am checking along your lines.
Can you give some resources, so it is quite clear on how developed those theorems.
AFAIK, The ampere and faraday experiments are quite a lot simple compared to these theorems.

The question still didn't quite answered.
Especially about the theoretical and practical, if there is such distinction in the first place.
 
As long as Einstein read the results of experiments performed by other people, he didn't necessarily have to do them himself. This is the theorist / experimentalist split.

I don't think Einstein focused on reading experimental results from all reports (I'm not a historian), but he was aware enough of them to abandon theories that did not agree with experiment.

If a theorist gets totally cut off from experiment, they'll become unprodctive in developing theories that will be ignored because they are known to be wrong because they don't agree with measurments.
 
I am reading a paper by Dirac from 1931, in which he showed that it is necessary for there to be magnetic monopoles if electric charge is quantized.
It requires some mathematical facility, but he is very good at explaining his thoughts, and the whole point rests on a thought experiment.
He also explains a lot of why modern physics gets so far into abstract math.
 

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