Invariants of the stress energy tensor

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The discussion revolves around the search for invariants of the stress-energy tensor, focusing on their physical significance and applicability in various contexts, including ideal fluids and more general cases. Participants explore different types of invariants, their mathematical properties, and implications in theoretical physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about a set of linearly independent invariants for the stress-energy tensor, emphasizing the need for physical meaning.
  • Another participant describes invariants for an ideal fluid, identifying internal-energy density and pressure as scalar fields that define the energy-momentum tensor.
  • A question is raised about the existence of invariants for a more general stress-energy tensor beyond perfect fluids.
  • Discussion includes the idea that invariants for any (1,1) tensor could be derived from eigenvalues or combinations thereof, with specific reference to the case of ideal fluids.
  • One participant suggests that the local conservation of energy, represented by the equation ##\nabla_\mu T^{\mu\nu}=0##, constitutes four invariants derived from the stress-energy tensor.
  • There is a query regarding the applicability of eigenvalue properties across different coordinate systems, particularly in relation to locally inertial coordinates.
  • Another participant proposes specific invariants involving the trace of the tensor and its dual, questioning the implications of symmetry on these invariants.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the nature of the stress-energy tensor as symmetric and the implications for its dual tensor.
  • Participants discuss the coordinate independence of eigenvalues, asserting that the eigenvector equation holds true regardless of the coordinate system used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature and existence of invariants for the stress-energy tensor, with some focusing on specific cases like ideal fluids while others seek more general formulations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the completeness and applicability of the proposed invariants.

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Some limitations include the dependence on the specific definitions of invariants and the assumptions made about the nature of the stress-energy tensor in different physical contexts. The discussion also highlights unresolved mathematical steps related to the generalization of invariants.

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Does anyone know of a set of invariants for the stress energy tensor? In particular, I would like to know if there is a small set of linearly independent invariants, each of which (or at least some of which) have a clear physical meaning.
 
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It depends on which situation you look at.

Take an ideal fluid. It's characterized by an equation of state and a fluid four-velocity field ##u^{\mu}##. The energy-momentum tensor is defined through 2 invariants (or rather scalar fields): the internal-energy density and pressure in the local rest frames of the fluid cells, ##\epsilon## and ##P##. At one space-time point in the restframe the components read
$$T^{* \mu \nu}=\mathrm{diag}(\epsilon,P,P,P).$$
Since ##u^{* \mu}=(1,0,0,0)## and ##\eta^{*\mu \nu}=(1,-1,-1,-1)## you can write this in manifestly covariant form as
$$T^{* \mu \nu}=(\epsilon+P) u^{*\mu} u^{* \nu}-P \eta^{* \mu \nu}.$$
Since ##u^{\mu}## are four-vector components, and ##\eta^{* \mu \nu}=\eta^{\mu \nu}## are invariant tensor components (under Lorentz boosts), the equation holds in any frame,
$$T^{\mu \nu} =(\epsilon+P) u^{\mu} u^{\nu} - P \eta^{\mu \nu}.$$
The invariants (scalar fields) in this case are
$$u_{\mu} u_{\nu} T^{\mu \nu}=\epsilon$$
and
$$\eta_{\mu \nu} T^{\mu \nu}=\epsilon-3P.$$
Of course the latter scalar ("the trace") is one you can define for any energy-momentum tensor. For a free electromagnetic field or a fluid of massless particles it vanishes (in the classical-field theory approximation) because of the scale invariance of free electromagnetic fields and massless particles making up an ideal fluid.
 
Do you know if there are other invariants for a more general stress energy tensor or only for a perfect fluid?
 
Like any (1,1) tensor, the invariants should just be the eigenvalues or combinations thereof? This is reflected in #2 where the assumption of an ideal fluid makes three of the eigenvalues equal so that you only have two independent ones.
 
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Does ##\nabla_\mu T^{\mu\nu}=0## count? It's the local conservation of energy, and is four invariants constructed from the stress-energy tensor.
 
Orodruin said:
Like any (1,1) tensor, the invariants should just be the eigenvalues or combinations thereof?
Is that true in all coordinate systems or just in locally inertial coordinates?
 
I rather thought the invariants would be ##T^u{}_u## and perhaps ##*T^u{}_u##, where ##*T^{cd} = \epsilon^{abcd}T_{ab}##. But that was mainly from a discussion of an anti-symmetric tensor, I'm not sure what difference symmetry might make.
 
pervect said:
I rather thought the invariants would be ##T^u{}_u## and perhaps ##*T^u{}_u##, where ##*T^{cd} = \epsilon^{abcd}T_{ab}##. But that was mainly from a discussion of an anti-symmetric tensor, I'm not sure what difference symmetry might make.
Well, to start ##T## is not a 2-form. Since it is symmetric, ##*T## would be zero trivially.

The trace of ##T## is indeed an invariant as it is the sum of eigenvalues.

Dale said:
Is that true in all coordinate systems or just in locally inertial coordinates?
Eigenvalues of a (1,1) tensor do not depend on the coordinates. The coordinate independent eigenvector equation is ##T(V)=\lambda V##.
 
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Orodruin said:
The coordinate independent eigenvector equation is ##T(V)=\lambda V##.
So in coordinate notation that is ##g_{\nu\xi}T^{\mu\nu}V^{\xi}=\lambda V^{\mu}##
 
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Dale said:
So in coordinate notation that is ##g_{\nu\xi}T^{\mu\nu}V^{\xi}=\lambda V^{\mu}##
Yes.
 
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