Inverse laplace tables, where am I going wrong?

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The discussion revolves around finding the inverse Laplace transform of the expression \(\frac{2s+1}{s^2-2s+2}\). Participants are examining the algebraic manipulations involved in the transformation process and comparing their results with a textbook answer.

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  • Participants discuss various algebraic manipulations to simplify the expression and match it to known forms from Laplace transform tables. There are questions about specific algebraic steps and whether certain manipulations lead to correct forms for applying the inverse transform.

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Some participants have offered alternative approaches to rewriting the expression, suggesting that the original poster may have made algebraic errors. There is ongoing exploration of how to align the numerator and denominator with standard forms, and some participants express confusion about the correctness of their methods.

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Participants note potential typos and misunderstandings in the algebraic steps taken. There is mention of the need to complete the square and ensure that the numerator matches the form required for the inverse Laplace transform.

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Homework Statement


Find the inverse Laplace transform of [tex]\frac{2s+1}{s^2-2s+2}[/tex]

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[tex] \begin{align*}<br /> L^{-1}\{ \frac{2s+1}{s^2-2s+2} \} &= 2 L^{-1}\{ \frac{s}{(s-1)^2+1} \} + L^{-1}\{ \frac{1}{(s-1)^2+1} \} \\ <br /> &= 2 L^{-1}\{ \frac{s}{(s-1)^2+1} \} + e^t sin(t) \\ <br /> &= L^{-1}\{ \frac{2s+1-1}{(s-1)^2+1} \} + e^t sin(t) \\ <br /> &= L^{-1}\{ \frac{2s-1}{(s-1)^2+1} \} + L^{-1}\{ \frac{1}{(s-1)^2+1} \} + e^t sin(t) \\ <br /> &= 2e^t cos(t) + e^t sin(t) + L^{-1}\{ \frac{1}{(s-1)^2+1} \} \\ <br /> &= 2e^t cos(t) + e^t sin(t) + e^t sin(t)<br /> \end{align*}[/tex]

My book has an answer of [itex]2e^t cos(t) + 3e^t sin(t)[/itex]. Am I making a mistake in the algebra?
 
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Instead of 2s+1-1 put 2s+2-2 then you will habe 2(s-1)+2 and the you will have the answer
 
irtsrider said:
Instead of 2s+1-1 put 2s+2-2 then you will habe 2(s-1)+2 and the you will have the answer

Ok I see how that works, but what about my answer is wrong? What algebra mistake am I making?
 
Just realized I had a typo in the original post. :cry: Lines 5 and 6 I typed "sin" instead of "cos." It's all changed now and my question still stands.
 
When you write (2s-1)/(s-1)^2+1, it won't give you cos because you should have nA/A^2+1 then you will have a cos so you should have n(s-1)/(s-1)^2+1 which n=2 here. Since you will have 2(s-1)=2s-2 and to make it equal to 2s in line 2 you should write like 2s-2+2 the separate to 2s-2 and 2 then you will have the answer
 
irtsrider said:
When you write (2s-1)/(s-1)^2+1, it won't give you cos because you should have nA/A^2+1 then you will have a cos so you should have n(s-1)/(s-1)^2+1 which n=2 here. Since you will have 2(s-1)=2s-2 and to make it equal to 2s in line 2 you should write like 2s-2+2 the separate to 2s-2 and 2 then you will have the answer

Oh, I think you must be doing it differently? My table has:

[tex]e^{at} sin(bt) = \frac{b}{(s-a)^2+b^2}, s>a[/tex]
[tex]e^{at} cos(bt) = \frac{s-a}{(s-a)^2+b^2}, s>a[/tex]

I'm matching it to that. Should I be doing it a "longer" way? I still don't see how my original method is wrong. 2s+1-1=2s, just as 2s+2-2=2s and 2(s+1)-2=2s.
 
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(2s + 1)/(s^2 - 2s + 2) = (2s + 1)/[(s - 1)^2 + 1] = [2(s - 1) + 3]/[(s - 1)^2 + 1]

Which equals 2*(s - 1)/[(s - 1)^2 + 1] + 3*1/[(s - 1)^2 + 1].

Use the appropriate formulas from the table of Laplace transforms.
 
I still don't see it but thank you for your time. :redface:
 
Thats it for cos you should have s-a in numerator and and s-a is s-1 when you write it like 2s-1 it is not s-a it is 2s-a and for solving it you should have 2(s-a) not 2s-a. Right?
 
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I understand why your method works.

Why won't the method I used in the first post work? Is it not algebraically sound and does it not fit the form given in the Inverse Laplace Transform tables? What am I doing wrong?
 
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Essentially all you have to do is make the denominator and the numerator look similar. The easiest way to do it is to complete the square.

You need (s - 1) in the denominator and in the numerator to match the formulas in the table of Laplace transforms.
 
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glebovg said:
Essentially all you have to do is make the denominator and the numerator look similar. The easiest way to do it is to complete the square.

You need (s - 1) in the denominator and in the numerator to match the formulas in the table of Laplace transforms.

I must be missing something major because I still don't get it. I think all of my steps match the formulas in my table.
 
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Have a look at the 4th line. (2s - 1)/[(s - 1)^2 + 1] ≠ 2*[(s - 1 )/(s - 1)^2 + 1].

L^-1{2* (s - 1)/[(s - 1)^2 + 1]} = 2e^t*cos(t).
 
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glebovg said:
Have a look at the 4th line. (2s - 1)/[(s - 1)^2 + 1] ≠ 2*[(s - 1 )/(s - 1)^2 + 1].

L^-1{2* (s - 1)/[(s - 1)^2 + 1]} = 2e^t*cos(t).

Thank you, that was exactly what I needed to see -- where I made the algebra mistake.[URL]http://smiliesftw.com/x/bowdown.gif[/URL]
 
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Next time use the method I described above it is much easier.
 
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Ok, another quick question. Say I have this:

[tex]L^{-1} \{ \frac{1}{(s+1)^2+4} \}[/tex]

This is very close to

[tex]e^{at} sin(bt) = \frac{b}{(s-a)^2+b^2}, s>a[/tex]

So to get the b equal I would multiply the transform by 2?

[tex]2L^{-1}= \{ \frac{1}{(s+1)^2+4} \} \rightarrow f(t) = 2e^{-t} sin(2t)[/tex]

But my book says the answer is [tex]f(t) = \frac{1}{2}e^{-t} sin(2t)[/tex]

Am I making another dumb mistake? Why is the book multiplying by 1/2 and not 2?

edit: Nevermind, I see it now.

Thank you everyone for your help.
 
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