Inverse Laplace Transform and Court

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the inverse Laplace transform of the expression (4s+5) / (s^2 + 5s + 18.5). The original poster expresses frustration over receiving a failing grade on this midterm question and seeks validation of their approach.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss methods for finding the inverse Laplace transform, including factoring the denominator and completing the square. There are questions about the validity of the original poster's approach and the clarity of their solution presentation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided alternative methods for solving the problem, suggesting that completing the square may be more effective than factoring. The original poster's method is acknowledged as having merit, but there is no explicit consensus on its correctness or completeness.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the original poster's use of approximations and the context of the course, which may influence the expectations for rigor in the solution. The discussion reflects a tension between different approaches to the problem and the grading standards applied by the instructor.

m_celikok
Messages
3
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


I had a question in my midterm, it was to find inverse laplace tansform of:
(4s+5) / (s^2 + 5s + 18.5)

Where ^ denotes power.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


My answer was to find the complex roots of equation (s^2 + 5s + 18.5) , by them transform it to form (s - w0)(s - w1) where w0 and w1 are complex roots of original equation. Then I divided the total rational (4s+5) / (s^2 + 5s + 18.5) into sum of two different rationals in form of (A)/(s -w0) + (B)/(s-w1). Found A and B and then solved each sum as different inverse laplaces. My solution was,
33jh576.gif



Yet my teacher insists this is not the solution and gave me a 0 from that question. I am going to take this to Court. Can you confirm my solution please?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
m_celikok said:

Homework Statement


I had a question in my midterm, it was to find inverse laplace tansform of:
(4s+5) / (s^2 + 5s + 18.5)

Where ^ denotes power.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


My answer was to find the complex roots of equation (s^2 + 5s + 18.5) , by them transform it to form (s - w0)(s - w1) where w0 and w1 are complex roots of original equation. Then I divided the total rational (4s+5) / (s^2 + 5s + 18.5) into sum of two different rationals in form of (A)/(s -w0) + (B)/(s-w1). Found A and B and then solved each sum as different inverse laplaces. My solution was,
33jh576.gif



Yet my teacher insists this is not the solution and gave me a 0 from that question. I am going to take this to Court. Can you confirm my solution please?

Your solution is approximately equal to <br /> 4e^{-2.5t}\cos(3.5 t) - \tfrac{10}{7} e^{-2.5t}\sin(3.5 t)<br /> which can be obtained by completing the square in the denominator of the transform and using a table of transforms.

You should get some credit for having found a substantially correct answer by a correct method, but you really need to express the coefficients as exact fractions, not decimal approximations, and express the complex exponentials in terms of cosines and sines.
 
fractions

the coefficients are expressed as fractions in my paper i just calculated them from wolfram alpha to easily post here. also i noted at the end of my solution that e's in this solution can be expressed as cosine and sines through euler identity but i rathered not which is because i find this form clearer. this was an computer engineering , systems and signals course so no such rigor was required. my teacher is quite hostile towards me. thanks for your reply sir.
 
Last edited:
I would NOT try to factor the denominator. Instead, I would complete the square:
s^2+ 5s+ 18.5= s^2+ 5s+ \frac{25}{4}- \frac{25}{4}+ \frac{74}{5}= (s+ \frac{5}{2})^2+ \frac{49}{4}

So \frac{4s+ 5}{s^2+ 5s+ 18.5}= 4\frac{s+ 5/2}{(s+ 5/2)^2+ (7/2)^2}+ \frac{10}{7}\frac{7/2}{(s+ 5/2)^2+ (7/2)^2}
Which can be looked up in a table of transforms.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
HallsofIvy said:
I would NOT try to factor the denominator. Instead, I would complete the square:
s^2+ 5s+ 18.5= s^2+ 5s+ \frac{25}{4}- \frac{25}{4}+ \frac{74}{5}= (s+ \frac{5}{2})^2+ \frac{49}{4}

So \frac{4s+ 5}{s^2+ 5s+ 18.5}= 4\frac{s+ 5/2}{(s+ 5/2)^2+ (7/2)^2}+ \frac{10}{7}\frac{7/2}{(s+ 5/2)^2+ (7/2)^2}
Which can be looked up in a table of transforms.

Thanks for the reply. On the other hand the question here is not a "wouldn't". It is a "can/can't" question. Table way might be easier and cleaner which i agree too. But, does that invalidates my solution?
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
Replies
5
Views
3K
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K