Inversion Curve for a gas obeying Dieterici's equation of state

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The problem involves deriving the equation of the inversion curve for a gas that follows Dieterici's equation of state, specifically focusing on the relationship between pressure, volume, and temperature. The original poster seeks to prove a specific equation and determine the maximum inversion temperature.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need for partial differentiation and the elimination of variables to derive the target equation. There are questions about the correctness of differentiation steps and the complexity of the resulting expressions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the differentiation and substitution needed to progress. There is acknowledgment of the challenges faced in manipulating the equations, and while one participant expresses confidence after further attempts, others remain uncertain about specific steps.

Contextual Notes

The original poster mentions the condition for the inversion curve and the need for implicit differentiation, indicating potential constraints in the problem-solving process. There is also a reference to the maximum inversion temperature being derived from setting pressure to zero, though this is met with some skepticism from another participant.

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Homework Statement



For a gas obeying Dieterici's equation of state:

P(V-b) = RTexp(-a/RTV)

for one mole, prove that the equation of the inversion curve is

P = ((2a/b^2) - (RT/b)) * exp((1/2) - (a/(RTb)))

and hence find the maximum inversion temperature.

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The Attempt at a Solution



So, I know that for the inversion curve, the condition is (dV/dT) = V/T (where the derivative is evaluated at constant pressure). But this would need implicit differentiation to find dV/dt ... and it seems completely intractable - is there something I'm missing?
 
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Do the partial differentiation.
To arrive at the target equation, you need to eliminate ∂V/∂T (for which you have an equation) and V (for which you have the original equation).
If you're still stuck, please post your working.
 
Hi, thanks for the help!

I've tried the partial differentiation, but when I try and eliminate V and ∂V/∂T between the equation I obtain and the equation of state I just get a horrible mess - I'm not sure if I'm doing the differentiation right...

I rearranged the equation to get:

[itex]\frac{-a}{RTV}[/itex] = ln(p(V-b)) - ln(RT)

So, differentiating wrt T:

[itex]\frac{a}{RT^{2}V}[/itex] + [itex]\frac{a}{RTV^{2}}[/itex]*[itex]\frac{∂V}{∂T}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{1}{V-b}[/itex]*[itex]\frac{∂V}{∂T}[/itex] - [itex]\frac{1}{T}[/itex]

There's not really any point me posting any of the further work / manipulation I've done - I've tried a load of different things and nothing gets anywhere...

Is the initial differentiation correct?

Cheers!
 
ncholland said:
[itex]\frac{a}{RT^{2}V}[/itex] + [itex]\frac{a}{RTV^{2}}[/itex]*[itex]\frac{∂V}{∂T}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{1}{V-b}[/itex]*[itex]\frac{∂V}{∂T}[/itex] - [itex]\frac{1}{T}[/itex]
Yes, that looks good. Substitute for ∂V/∂T and get it into the form V = ...
 
Awesome, thanks! Got it now, much less nasty than I'd thought :-) (I was just messing up the cancellation of terms - which made me doubt I'd got the differentiation right in the first place because the whole thing looked such a mess!)
 
And the maximum inversion temperature is just found by setting P = 0, right? So that gives T = 2a/bR ?
 
ncholland said:
And the maximum inversion temperature is just found by setting P = 0, right?
If you say so. I know nothing about this subject matter.
 

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