Inverted physical pendulum, time taken to hit ground.

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The problem involves an inverted physical pendulum, specifically a thin pencil balanced on its point, which is perturbed slightly and tips over. The objective is to determine the time it takes for the pencil to fall through an angle of 90 degrees, given initial conditions and a hint involving an integral.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the validity of using the small angle approximation throughout the pencil's fall and question the analytical solvability of the governing equations. There is mention of using a special function for solutions and exploring the relationship between angular displacement and time through integration.

Discussion Status

The discussion has evolved with participants providing insights into the mathematical approaches and questioning assumptions. Some have noted the utility of the hint provided in the problem, while others have recognized alternative methods, such as conservation of energy, to arrive at the desired result.

Contextual Notes

There is a hint provided in the problem that suggests a specific integral may be useful, and participants are navigating the implications of this hint in their reasoning. Additionally, there is a focus on the initial conditions and the assumptions made regarding the motion of the pendulum.

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I'm currently preparing for a classical prelim and am concerned that this problem may not be correct. I'm second guessing myself due to the hint given in the problem, which I did not use. Any help is more than appreciated. A picture of the pendulum is included.

Homework Statement



A thin pencil with length 20 cm is balanced on a desktop, standing on its point so that its angle of inclination \theta with respect to the vertical is nearly zero. A small perturbation is sufficient to tip it over. Suppose that initially, \theta (0) = 1 x 10^{-17} radians and \dot{\theta(0)} = 0. Assuming that the pencil point remains fixed, in how many second will it tip over on its side through and angle of 90^{°}?

Hint: The following integral, accurate for \theta_{0} < 0.01 may be useful.

\int_{\theta_{0}}^{\pi /2} \frac{d \theta}{\sqrt{cos \theta_{0}-cos \theta}} \cong -\sqrt{2} ln \theta_{0} + 1.695

Homework Equations



g = 9.8m/s^{2}
l = 20cm = .20m

I = I_{cm} + mh^{2} ; h = l/2
= \frac{1}{12} ml^{2} + \frac{1}{4} ml^{2}
= \frac{4}{12} ml^{2}

The Attempt at a Solution



T = \frac{1}{2}I \dot{\theta^{2}} = \frac{1}{2}(\frac{4}{12}ml^{2})\dot{\theta^{2}} = \frac{1}{6}ml^{2}\dot{\theta^{2}}
U = mg \frac{l}{2} cos \theta

L = T - U = \frac{1}{6}ml^{2}\dot{\theta^{2}} - mg\frac{l}{2}cos\theta

\frac{\partial L}{\partial \theta} = mg\frac{l}{2}sin\theta

\frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{\theta}}\right) = \frac{1}{3}ml^{2}\ddot{\theta}

\ddot{\theta} = \frac{3g}{2l} sin \theta = \omega^{2} sin \theta \hspace{1 in} \omega = \sqrt{\frac{3g}{2l}} = 8.58 \frac{rad}{s}

We can use small angle approximation so \ddot{\theta} \approx \omega^{2} \theta

\theta (t) = Ae^{\omega t} + Be^{-\omega t} \hspace{1 in} \dot{\theta (t)} = \omega Ae^{\omega t} - \omega Be^{-\omega t}

\dot{\theta} (0) = \omega A - \omega B = 0 \hspace{1 in} ; A = B

\theta (t) = A \left(e^{\omega t} + e^{- \omega t}\right) = 2Acosh(\omega t)

\theta (0) = 2A = 1 x 10^{-17} rad

\theta (t) = (1 x 10^{-17})cosh(\omega t)

\theta (t) = \frac{\pi}{2} - 1 x 10^{-17} rad \approx \frac{\pi}{2}

\theta (t) = \frac{\pi}{2} = (1 x 10^{-17})cosh(\omega t)

\frac{\pi}{2 x 10^{-17}} = cosh(\omega t)

t = \left(\frac{1}{\omega} \right) cosh^{-1} \left(\frac{\pi}{2 x 10^{-17}}\right) = \frac{1}{8.58} cosh^{-1}\left(\frac{\pi}{2 x 10^{-17}}\right)

t \approx 4.7s
 

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AbigailM said:
We can use small angle approximation so \ddot{\theta} \approx \omega^{2} \theta

Oh? Is this true throughout the pencil's 90 degree fall?
 
Oh I see what you mean! Hrmm \ddot{\theta} = \omega^{2} sin \theta can't be solved analytically can it? Maybe this is where the hint is useful. Thanks for pointing that out.
 
AbigailM said:
Oh I see what you mean! Hrmm \ddot{\theta} = \omega^{2} sin \theta can't be solved analytically can it?

Depends on what you consider to be a solution - \theta(t) can be expressed using a special function called the Jacobi Amplitude function.

But, since what you really want to know is the time it takes for the pencil to fall, you don't actually need to calculate \theta(t). Instead, you can get away with just knowing \dot{\theta}(t) since

T=\int_0^T dt = \int_{\theta(0)}^{\theta(T)} \frac{d\theta}{\dot{\theta}}

To get \dot{\theta}(t), just use the common trick of multiplying your DE by \dot{\theta} and recognizing that

\dot{\theta}\ddot{\theta} = \frac{1}{2}\frac{d}{dt}\dot{\theta}^2
 
I noticed that your equation for T doesn't have a factor of 2 \pi, when \omega = \frac{2 \pi}{T}. In the Jacobi method on Wikipedia they don't have it there either. What am I missing? Thanks again.
 
Oh hahahah nevermind. It was staring me right in the face, \frac{dt}{d \theta} , move the d \theta over and integrate both sides.
 
AbigailM said:
Oh hahahah nevermind. It was staring me right in the face, \frac{dt}{d \theta} , move the d \theta over and integrate both sides.

Exactly. Of course, if treating differentials like fractions in this way bothers you, you could always just use conservation of energy to find the same result.
 
Cool, I was able to get the solution. Thanks again for all the help gabbagabbahey.
 

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