Investigating the Impact of Chips on Packaging Pressure Differential

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the impact of product displacement (specifically chips) on the pressure differential experienced by sealed packaging when subjected to varying external pressures, such as those at different altitudes. The context includes experimental setups to test these effects in a packaging company.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One viewpoint suggests that the presence of chips in the packaging will decrease the volume of air, potentially affecting the pressure differential by reducing the amount of air that needs to equalize with external pressure.
  • Another perspective argues that the external pressure is determined solely by elevation, and thus the internal air volume does not influence the external pressure experienced by the package.
  • A participant notes that the design of the packaging, such as whether it has a breather valve, is critical in managing pressure differentials during transport.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for inward air flow that could introduce contaminants if the package is not properly sealed against pressure changes.
  • Another participant describes their experience with coffee packaging that includes a breather valve, which allows air to escape at altitude but does not protect against excess pressure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the presence of chips affects the pressure differential, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the influence of internal air volume versus external pressure, and the discussion includes various assumptions about packaging design and its implications for pressure management.

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Hello,

I hope this is the right area to post this question. We are having a debate at my workplace and was hoping there was someone more qualified to settle the debate.

We are a packaging company and have setup an experiment to test the pressure differnential from sealiong at 1800m vs. Sea Level. We would like to see if the packaging can with stand the external pressure at sea level. We have calculated this diffence to roughly .2 bar (~3PSI), set up an experiment by placing the sealed packs in pressure chamber, and add the 3psi of air to the tank.

The debate came about as to wether adding chips (the product) would effect the result. Ie decreasing the amount of air (chips are displacing the air) would help offset the external air pressure being applied.

One side is saying that the smaller volume of air will result in less external pressure as there is less air trying to equalise. The otherside believes it makes no difference, as the pressure is being applied externally and the amount of air is inside makes no difference, as long it is at the same pressure in both instances.

Would having chips in the packaging affect the result?

Cheers!
 
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Welcome, @Danfishman !

Could you describe the package?
 
Sure,

It is a cardboard/ paperboard can, like a pringles can.
 
Danfishman said:
One side is saying that the smaller volume of air will result in less external pressure as there is less air trying to equalise

That argument doesn't make sense.
The external pressure is established by the elevation.
 
Danfishman said:
It is a cardboard/ paperboard can, like a pringles can.
If the lid is clipped on, the can will probably breathe out when taken to a higher altitude, where the external air pressure will be less. If taken to a lower altitude, the increased pressure may seal the lid and so provide a positive external pressure.

I expect the aim should be to avoid the inward flow of air that could introduce spores or contaminants to the product.

The details of the lid seal will be critical to determining the pressure differential during transport.
 
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A breather, coupled to an internal balloon with a volume big enough to absorb the pressure differential will avoid stressing the package (that's one extreme). A rigid (like a submarine) package will maintain the internal pressure whatever your altitude. Which do you actually need?
My coffee packs have a breather valve which works one way, to let air out at altitude and the pack is always a bit wrinkled when the aircraft lands. This pack gives no physical protection to excess pressure (the coffee beans don't care) but avoids contaminated air entry.
 
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