Investigating Why a Century AC Motor's Label Shows 1625 RPM

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The discussion revolves around the discrepancy between the calculated synchronous speed of a Century AC motor (1800 RPM) and the actual label speed (1625 RPM). Participants explore the reasons for this difference, focusing on concepts related to induction motors, slip, and efficiency.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the motor is an AC induction motor, which typically runs slower than its synchronous speed due to slip.
  • One participant explains that the nameplate RPM indicates the speed at which the motor develops full rated power, suggesting that the motor is designed for applications requiring operation below synchronous speed.
  • Another participant mentions that the motor's design includes a high resistance rotor, which is characteristic of low-efficiency motors intended for specific applications.
  • Some argue that the calculation of synchronous speed is correct but emphasize that slip is necessary for induction motors to function, leading to a lower actual speed.
  • There is a discussion about the impact of voltage on motor performance, with some asserting that voltage does not significantly affect the synchronous speed calculation, while others clarify that it influences the torque-slip curve.
  • A participant points out that the slip percentage for the motor in question is relatively high, indicating inefficiency compared to larger industrial motors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the concept of slip in induction motors and its role in the difference between synchronous and actual speeds. However, there is disagreement regarding the influence of voltage on the motor's performance and the implications of the slip percentage, with varying interpretations of efficiency and design considerations.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about the motor's design and operational context, such as the specific applications for which it is intended. The calculations and definitions used by participants may depend on varying interpretations of motor specifications and performance metrics.

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AC motor RPM
Hi great folk

I have a Century AC motor which is ¼ HP, 115 V, 60 HZ

This is a Permanent Split Capacitor (PSC) motor

It has 4 poles, so the running speed according to the motor equation should be:

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Speed = 120x60 / p …………….. Where P = number of poles

Therefore RPM = 120 X 60 / 4 = 1800

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My question now is why the motor label shows 1625 RPM and no 1800

.

Thanks for your investigation in advance
 
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souky101 said:
Summary: AC motor RPM

Hi great folk

I have a Century AC motor which is ¼ HP, 115 V, 60 HZ

This is a Permanent Split Capacitor (PSC) motor

It has 4 poles, so the running speed according to the motor equation should be:

.

Speed = 120x60 / p …………….. Where P = number of poles

Therefore RPM = 120 X 60 / 4 = 1800

.

My question now is why the motor label shows 1625 RPM and no 1800

.

Thanks for your investigation in advance
You used 120 V, whereas the motor's running speed was calculated from 115 V.
 
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Your motor is an AC induction motor. The synchronous speed is the 1800 RPM that you correctly calculated. Induction motors run slower than synchronous speed. The difference between the synchronous speed and the actual speed induces currents in the rotor. Those currents create a rotor magnetic field that works with the stator magnetic field to make the rotor turn. The magnitude of the rotor currents, and thus the strength of the rotor magnetic field, is proportional to the speed difference between the rotor and stator, and also to the rotor resistance.

The motor nameplate RPM is the RPM at which the motor develops full rated power. That same motor, with nothing attached to the shaft, will turn about 1798 RPM. Your motor has a high resistance rotor, so is designed for applications where it needs to run at less than rated speed. Such applications include high inertia loads and certain adjustable speed applications such as furnace blowers. It is a low efficiency motor. Most 1800 RPM induction motor have a full load speed near 1725 to 1750 RPM, and have higher efficiency.
 
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souky101 said:
My question now is why the motor label shows 1625 RPM and no 1800.
jrmichler is correct.
Your motor is a low-power induction motor. It is designed to have 10% slip at full load, which suggests it is inefficient, light-weight, and low-cost.
A more efficient small motor would have only about 5% slip at full load. Bigger industrial motors will slip between 1% and 2%.
 
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Mark44 said:
You used 120 V, whereas the motor's running speed was calculated from 115 V.
Voltage has nothing to do with it, within reason. The OP's math came up with a synchronous speed that is correct but only by accident. But the math should be: (frequency * 60) / number of pole pairs.
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Of course as others have pointed out, slip is required for an induction motor to work so the actual speed will be less.
 
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Averagesupernova said:
Voltage has nothing to do with it, within reason.
Correct, but to state it better: changing voltage changes the torque-slip curve. However, nameplate values are not variable; rated voltage; rated frequency; max power and speed at max power.
 
anorlunda said:
However, nameplate values are not variable...
I've never seen a three phase motor that lists a range of voltages other than 208-240 and of course the high volt connection of 460. But, those voltages are moved around all the time with variable frequency drives.
 
The 1800 rpm it is what is called synchronous speed and that is-approximate- the no-load speed-but if it is loaded 1/4 hp a slip will occur then s=(1800-1625)/1800=9.7% [it is very large in my opinion but still possible]
For instance a manufacturer presents in his catalogue for General purpose aluminum motors 460 V 60 Hz and 0.2 hp 1660 rated rpm. (1800-1660)/1800=7.78%
 

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