Invisibility cloak possible? how close are we?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of creating an invisibility cloak using metamaterials, exploring both theoretical and practical aspects. Participants inquire about the current state of research and the challenges involved in achieving true invisibility, including the implications for various applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it is possible to make a human invisible using metamaterials and asks how photons can pass through such materials without reflection.
  • Several participants reference Michio Kaku's book "Physics of the Impossible" as a resource for understanding invisibility cloaks.
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality of invisibility cloaks, with one participant humorously suggesting that a true cloak would resemble a giant hamster ball and noting current limitations of metamaterials, such as losses and narrow bandwidth.
  • Another participant mentions a paper proposing that even a "perfect" cloak could be defeated by charged particles, leading to a discussion about the implications of such findings.
  • A technical explanation is provided regarding the fundamental limitations of cloaks, specifically the requirement for phase velocity to exceed the speed of light in certain conditions, which may restrict functionality to narrow frequency ranges.
  • One participant humorously suggests that sustained orbital bombardment could be a solution to achieving invisibility.
  • Another participant discusses the mathematical basis of invisibility, referencing the uniqueness of solutions to the Helmholtz equation and the limitations of cloaking devices against coherent light detectors.
  • Some participants suggest alternative methods for achieving invisibility or evading detection, such as using technology for financial transactions instead of relying on a cloak.
  • A link to a new development in invisibility using natural crystals is shared, prompting further exploration of recent advancements in the field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility and practicality of invisibility cloaks, with no consensus reached on the potential for creating a functional device. Multiple competing ideas and concerns about the limitations of current technology are evident throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights various assumptions regarding the properties of metamaterials and the theoretical underpinnings of invisibility. Limitations related to the bandwidth and operational frequency of cloaks are noted, as well as the challenges posed by coherent light detection.

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Dear readers,

Is it possible to make a human being invisible using metamaterials?, if so then how close are we to making this possible as i need to make a withdrawal from my bank without the bank manager knowing!

People can see objects because they scatter the light that strikes them, reflecting some of it back to the eye. Cloaking uses materials, known as metamaterials, to deflect radar, light or other waves around an object, like water flowing around a smooth rock in a stream.

how can a photon pass through a metamaterial without changing its direction with no reflection?
 
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See the book
Michio Kaku, Physics of the Impossible
 
Demystifier said:
See the book
Michio Kaku, Physics of the Impossible

thankyou Demystifier, i will have to buy it as i need to go to the bank next week!
thankyou
Rob060870
 
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This is not a strictly QM topic. It is more on classical E&M, and thus, will be moved into the Classical Physics forum.

You may also want to do a search on this topic in this forum. It has been discussed already several times.

Zz.
 
A true invisibility cloak as they have proposed of late would be nothing more than a giant hamster ball. Not the most practical thing to use when robbing a bank. It's not going to happen any time soon. The metamaterials that we are currently producing have losses, very narrow bandwidth, and low frequency ranges of operation. All three of these problems will need to be overcome before they can think about being able to make an invisibility cloak. They have demonstrated it in the microwave regime for the 2D case but those results are still fairly limited.
 
In addition to what Born2bwire has said, there is a paper that proposed that even for a "perfect" cloaking, one can still defeat such a cloaking by simply shooting a stream of charged particles at it[1]!

So you play with your cloaking device, while I will continue playing with my particle accelerator.

Zz.

[1] B. Zhang and B.-I. Wu, Phys. Rev. Lett. v.103, p.243901 (2009).
 
ZapperZ said:
In addition to what Born2bwire has said, there is a paper that proposed that even for a "perfect" cloaking, one can still defeat such a cloaking by simply shooting a stream of charged particles at it[1]!

So you play with your cloaking device, while I will continue playing with my particle accelerator.

Zz.

[1] B. Zhang and B.-I. Wu, Phys. Rev. Lett. v.103, p.243901 (2009).

Haha, I remember reading that paper. It was an interesting method. My recollection is that the paper proposed that if you shot an electron through the cloak then the electron would undergo acceleration, causing it to emit radiation. But really, I mean, if you're going to be shooting a beam of electrons out into space, why not just do it with tennis balls or bullets?
 
Born2bwire mentions narrow bandwidth, which appears to be a fundamental limitation of cloaks. Note that a light wavefront passing through the cloak must, when it exits, exactly match the wavefronts that missed the cloak and passed by in vacuo. That's how the cloaked object is rendered undetectable. But the path length through the cloak is longer, so the phase velocity must exceed c in the cloak, and that happens only in the vicinity of resonances--which are narrow band by definition. So we'll never have a cloak that works at all frequencies.

For more see sect. 5.2 of Leonhardt and Philbin, Transformation Optics and the Geometry of Light, in Prog. Opt., available as a preprint here: http://arxiv.org/pdf/0805.4778"
 
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Clearly the solution to a perfet cloak of invisibility is sustained orbital bombardment. :smile:
 
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Demystifier said:
See the book
Michio Kaku, Physics of the Impossible


i have now ordered the book from amazon. i can't wait to read it but i do hope its in layman's terms?
after I've read it i can then pay a visit to my local bank !
thanks again.
 
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Hi all, Just to add a few more words about the invisible device to the posts of Born2bwire.
Actually the invisibility is a solution of Hemholtz equation, which is second order deferential equation. From Mathematic we know that the solution of deferential equation is unique with a given initial conditions. So the real invisibility is if there is noting there, otherwise the device will work only for a human eyes but not for coherent light detectors, due to the unique theorem….
 
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ahem, but why do you need a godforsaken invisibility cloak, u'd have to loot the bank to pay for it... :|
you could just use your brains and a bunch good processors to make a lumpsum transfer, study codebreaking, not classical E&M for this...:)
 
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Born2bwire said:
... But really, I mean, if you're going to be shooting a beam of electrons out into space, why not just do it with tennis balls or bullets?

Well; if you cannot see the target, you're going to be killing a lot of innocent bystanders spewing bullets out in all directions until you finally 'hit' something invisible, not to mention wasting lots of metal (or tennis balls) in the process.

I'll stick with Zapper's minimally fatal particle accelerator; however, I could probably defeat that also by wrapping myself in a very strong magnetic field.
Maybe. ;))

Creator
 
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