How does a banana change the color of light?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the physical and atomic properties of bananas that lead to their yellow appearance when illuminated by sunlight. Participants explore the interaction between light and the banana's surface, focusing on how certain wavelengths are absorbed or reflected, and the underlying molecular mechanisms involved. The conversation touches on concepts of vision, color perception, and the nature of light.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant explains that photons from sunlight strike the banana, which absorbs all wavelengths except yellow, leading to the perception of color.
  • Another participant clarifies that the banana reflects certain wavelengths of light while absorbing others, contributing to its yellow appearance.
  • A participant questions what physical or atomic properties of the banana determine which wavelengths are absorbed or reflected.
  • Discussion arises about the chemical differences in the banana's skin, particularly in brown spots, which reflect different wavelengths due to different molecular structures.
  • One participant mentions that the molecule auxin is responsible for the yellow color, as it absorbs shorter wavelengths and reflects longer ones.
  • There is a request for clarification on the specific properties of molecules that dictate light absorption and reflection.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the interaction of light with the banana's surface, with some agreeing on the role of specific molecules while others seek further clarification on the underlying mechanisms. The discussion remains unresolved on the precise characteristics of the molecules involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the visible spectrum and the nature of sunlight, but there are unresolved questions about the specific atomic properties that determine light absorption and reflection in bananas.

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I understand the basics of how vision works, but correct me if I'm wrong at any point.
  1. Electromagnetic radiation is emitted from the sun as a byproduct of fusion, in the form of photons.
  2. These photons travel a vast distance at an incomprehensible speed, and bounce around the atmosphere a bit.
  3. A photon strikes something such as a banana, which absorbs all wavelengths of light but yellow, and reflects that frequency away.
  4. That yellow light happens to find its way into my eye and onto my retina, at which point the red and green cones are stimulated by this frequency, and sends neural information to my brain where the image of a banana is created, adding other abstract, 3 dimension information like size and distance from me.
My question is this. The sun obviously does not emit yellow light. The banana is only yellow because that's what light didn't get absorbed. What is it about the banana, physically/atomically that when light hits it, it changes the light from white light to yellow? How is the photon changed by the banana to carry this new information?

Also, is it fair to say "a photon" or am I describing it inaccurately? Should I be using language that makes it sound more wave-like than particle-like? I feel like in the context that I'm describing the phenomena, I shouldn't be.
 
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The banana is being illuminated not by a single photon but by gazillions of photons with different wavelengths. ('white' sunlight)
Depending on their wavelength some of these photons are more likely to be absorbed by the material of the banana and others are more likely to be reflected by it.
What you eyes see is the wavelengths that were mostly reflected.
 
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Lucas23 said:
I understand the basics of how vision works, but correct me if I'm wrong at any point.
  1. Electromagnetic radiation is emitted from the sun as a byproduct of fusion, in the form of photons.
  2. These photons travel a vast distance at an incomprehensible speed, and bounce around the atmosphere a bit.
  3. A photon strikes something such as a banana, which absorbs all wavelengths of light but yellow, and reflects that frequency away.
  4. That yellow light happens to find its way into my eye and onto my retina, at which point the red and green cones are stimulated by this frequency, and sends neural information to my brain where the image of a banana is created, adding other abstract, 3 dimension information like size and distance from me.
My question is this. The sun obviously does not emit yellow light. The banana is only yellow because that's what light didn't get absorbed. What is it about the banana, physically/atomically that when light hits it, it changes the light from white light to yellow? How is the photon changed by the banana to carry this new information?

You must not be aware that the sun emits light at all different wavelengths. After all, it is called the "yellow sun." What we see in sunlight is light which is a mixture of different wavelengths.

Isaac Newton showed that what appeared to be white sunlight could be dispersed into different colors by directing the sunlight through a prism.

http://www.tutorvista.com/content/physics/physics-ii/dispersion/glass-prism.php

The banana appears to be yellow not because it changes the color of the sunlight hitting it, but because the banana peel reflects just the wavelengths of the incident sunlight which we perceive to be the color yellow.

The phenomenon of color is how our eyes perceive different wavelengths of light. The visible spectrum is light which has wavelengths between 390 nm and 700 nm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visible_spectrum
 
Ah, I see now. I did not know that, but I still don't understand the other part of it. If the banana reflects mostly yellow wavelengths and not others, why does it do that?

What is it about the material that decides what wavelengths are absorbed and others reflected? Bananas can have brown spots on them, why does that particular spot on the banana not reflect yellow light? What is it about that collection of matter that's different than the rest? Because different parts of the banana are chemically different, made up of different atoms. Is it the individual atoms themselves that reflect certain wavelengths and absorb others? What is it about the atom that decides it should reflect yellow?Also, thanks for teaching me something new.

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Yes the brown spots on the banana are chemically different from the fresh yellow part of the skin.
Different molecules are there (due to micro organisms breaking down the original structure of the skin.) (don't worry they are not harmful bacteria, simple fungi like yeast mostly)
These different molecules have different properties for light reflection and absorption, so we perceive that area as brown, darker - more light being absorbed and less reflected.

When the mould really sets in it will produce it's own fruiting bodies, and then you will be seeing blue/white rotted areas instead of brown spots, but hey that banana has just got to go before it gets to that stage.
 
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rootone said:
These different molecules have different properties for light reflection and absorption, so we perceive that area as brown, darker - more light being absorbed and less reflected.

But what are the properties? What characteristics about those molecules is the deciding factor in which light is reflected? Is it their size? Their constituent elements? Why do the yellow wavelengths reflect and not the red? Why is red absorbed? What is it about that matter that makes it absorb red?
 
Bananas are yellow because of a molecule called auxin. Specifically, the bonds between atoms in the molecule (see diagram below) absorb photons of certain wavelengths - notably absorbing shorter wavelengths (blue) and reflecting longer wavelengths (red, green).
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DaveC426913 said:
Specifically, the bonds between atoms in the molecule (see diagram below) absorb photons of certain wavelengths.

That's what I was looking for! Thank you!

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