Ionic Capacitor: Does Imbalance Create an Effect?

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The discussion centers on the effects of ionic imbalance in a vat divided by a thin layer, questioning whether this imbalance creates a capacitive effect that influences ion movement. It is noted that an imbalance, where positive ions on one side exceed those on the other, could lead to a charge potential across the barrier, similar to a depletion region in semiconductors. Participants clarify that while the scenario involves electrolytes, it does not constitute a traditional electrical circuit since no wires are present initially. The concept of electrochemical potential is introduced as a relevant factor in understanding the behavior of ions near the barrier. Overall, the conversation highlights the complexities of ionic movement and potential in a non-circuit environment.
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Hi All,

Here is my first question: (according to the picture)
A vat is filled with water and ions. The vat contains two compartments separated with a thin layer (green) (50 nanometer).

On a side there is p1 (positive ions) and n1 negative ones,
the other side contains p2 and n2 ions.

1/ first hypothesis
n1 = n2, p1 > p2

Is there a "capacitive" effect around the layer? (In other hands, does some ions move or are attracted because the ionic imbalance)
 

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Hi,

Maybe the question was unclear? :confused:
I just want to know, because there is an ionic imbalance between the two sides if some ions are moving towards the "barrier"/layer? Are the n2 ions attracted closer to the layer?

Thanks in advance.
 
Hi all,

:redface: Is there a physicist out there? :redface:
 
Yes, you have analyzed the situation correctly. In thermodynamics, this is called chemical or electrochemical potential.
 
Many thanks! :smile:
 
you msut also consider that there will be a barrier of sorts made in the middle, it will be called a depletion region common in semiconductors of today, anyway... this will have a charge potential built across the barrier, ie. from one side of tank to the other, this potential is what gives the voltage drop for the circuit. then apply some resistance fromt he leads coming out form the top of the tank, and you have your current.
 
Hi,

I have some hard to follow your explanation. :confused:
1/ The vat is filled with electrolytes. Im' not sure there is semiconductor effect there?
2/ In the first step of my experience, there is no wires and no electrical circuit.
 
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