Is 5000 Volts at 1mA Safe? What's the Maximum mA?

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The discussion revolves around the safety of encountering 5000 volts at 1mA, particularly in accidental contact scenarios. Participants explore the implications of current levels, safety measures, and the potential risks associated with high voltage applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that 1mA might be safe under certain conditions, but question how the current is limited to that level.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for higher currents if components fail, emphasizing the need for safety precautions.
  • One participant advises ensuring there is no stored energy in capacitors, recommending the use of high-value resistors in series to enhance safety.
  • Another participant points out that capacitors in a voltage multiplier could pose risks, particularly the last capacitor, and supports the idea of using series resistors for safety.
  • There is a discussion about the risks associated with high voltage, with one participant stating that 5000 volts is never truly safe without proof of safety measures.
  • A participant questions the safety of touching a car that may have similar voltage levels, pondering whether using a transformer would improve safety.
  • Reference is made to the "1-10-100 rule," which outlines the effects of different current levels on the human body, suggesting that even small currents can have significant effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the safety of 5000 volts at 1mA, with no consensus reached. Concerns about the potential for higher currents and the necessity of safety measures are common, but opinions on what constitutes safety vary.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of limiting current and ensuring no stored energy is present, but the discussion does not resolve the specific safety thresholds or conditions under which 5000 volts may be considered safe.

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Is 5000 volts at 1mA safe if accidentally touched, if so, up to how many mA is safe at this voltage?
 
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We probably don't want to give safety advice to people in countries with lawyers.

1mA would probably be safe under most circumstances - the question is how are you limiting it to 1mA?
Is there any way a much more dangerous current to be passed if a component failed?
 
mgb_phys said:
We probably don't want to give safety advice to people in countries with lawyers.

1mA would probably be safe under most circumstances - the question is how are you limiting it to 1mA?
Is there any way a much more dangerous current to be passed if a component failed?
Be ABSOLUTELY sure that there is no stored energy (capacitance) anywhere. See Table 1 in attached

http://euverc.colostate.edu/safetytests/High_Voltage_Safety_Manual.pdf

Just in case, put a 5 or 10 meg resistor in series.

Bob S
 
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Bob S said:
Be ABSOLUTELY sure that there is no stored energy (capacitance) anywhere. See Table 1 in attached

http://euverc.colostate.edu/safetytests/High_Voltage_Safety_Manual.pdf

Just in case, put a 5 or 10 meg resistor in series.

Bob S

I will use voltage multiplier to get the high voltage, are the capacitors in the multiplier safe or are those the capacitance your talking about?
 
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Those capacitors, and especially the last one, would make the supply very risky and that is why Bob suggested putting some large resistance in series with the output.
Because even 1 watt resistors have maximum ratings of about 500 volts or less, you would need at least 10 of them in series to get some safety.

However, work on the principle that 5000 volts is NEVER safe unless you can prove that it is.
You won't get any second chances.

A small current may not kill you immediately, (or it might) but you can't tell what effects it has long term on your body.
 
What are the current levels in those shock you get by touching a car sometimes, it must be near 5000 volts or more and they are safe. Would it be safer if I used a transformer to step up the voltage?.
 
1-10-100 rule, which states that
... you can feel 1 mA (1 milliampere or 1/1000 amp) of current through your body. 10 mA is sufficient enough to make your muscle contract to the point where you can't let go of the power source, (just like my illustration in the Introduction). And 100 mA is sufficient enough to stop your heart
http://www.ehow.com/how_5834615_avoid-electric-shock.html
 

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