Is a Differentiable Function Always Limited on a Closed or Open Interval?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of differentiable functions, specifically whether such functions are bounded on closed or open intervals. Participants explore two problems: one concerning differentiable functions on closed intervals and another on open intervals, with a focus on the implications of bounded derivatives.

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  • Some participants propose that a differentiable function on a closed interval is bounded due to the compactness of the image of a continuous function.
  • Others suggest that the mean value theorem can be applied to show that if the derivative of a function is bounded on an open interval, then the function itself is also bounded.
  • A participant mentions the need for a more elementary solution to the first problem, indicating that not all participants are familiar with topology.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the terminology used, specifically the terms "bounded," "restricted," and "limited," questioning the clarity of definitions.

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There is no consensus on the definitions of "bounded," "restricted," and "limited," leading to some confusion. While some participants agree on the application of the mean value theorem, others are still seeking clarity on the foundational concepts involved.

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Participants have varying levels of familiarity with topology and the mean value theorem, which may affect their understanding of the problems presented. The discussion reflects a range of mathematical backgrounds and assumptions.

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This discussion may be useful for students studying calculus, particularly those interested in the properties of differentiable functions and the implications of bounded derivatives.

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A function f is called restricted ( "bounded") on an interval I if there
is a constant K such that | f (x) | ≤ K for all x ∈ I.
(1) Let f be a differentiable function on a closed interval [x1, x2], where x1 and x2
are real numbers such that x1 < x2. Justify that f then is limited.
(2) Let f be a differentiable function in an open interval (x1, x2), where x1 and x2
are real numbers such that x1 < x2. Show that if the derivative f' is
limited in (X1, x2), then f is also limited.

can someone help with this?
 
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comma said:
A function f is called restricted ( "bounded") on an interval I if there
is a constant K such that | f (x) | ≤ K for all x ∈ I.
(1) Let f be a differentiable function on a closed interval [x1, x2], where x1 and x2
are real numbers such that x1 < x2. Justify that f then is limited.
(2) Let f be a differentiable function in an open interval (x1, x2), where x1 and x2
are real numbers such that x1 < x2. Show that if the derivative f' is
limited in (X1, x2), then f is also limited.

can someone help with this?
Problem (1) can be solved as follows: It is a general fact that the image of a compact set in a topological space under a continuous map is again compact. More precisely, if $f:X\to Y$ is a continuous map, and $X$ is compact, then $f(X)$ is also compact. Now we have a differentiable map $f:[x_1, x_2]\to \mathbf R$. Since diifferentiable maps are in particular continuous, we have $f([x_1, x_2])$ is a compact subspace of $\mathbf R$. Now a compact subspace of $\mathbf R$ is bounded, and thus we have $f$ is bounded.

(In case you do not know the basics of topology, there is a way to do it in a more elementary way. I will post the more elementary solution in case you need it.)

For problem 2), are you acquainted with the mean value theorem for differentiable maps?
 
thanks for your reply.
1) I had to turn up topology in the book's index and its chapter 10.
We did not have that chapter yet.

2) yes we learned about the mean value theorem a few weeks ago. i see in my notebook in did many examples using this theorem. But it was more like ''show that sin x <x for all 0''.
 
comma said:
thanks for your reply.
1) I had to turn up topology in the book's index and its chapter 10.
We did not have that chapter yet.

2) yes we learned about the mean value theorem a few weeks ago. i see in my notebook in did many examples using this theorem. But it was more like ''show that sin x <x for all 0''.

I will write down an elementary solution for (1) in some time. For (2) you can proceed like this:

Let $M$ be such that $|f'(x)|<M$ for all $x\in (x_1, x_2)$. Such an $M$ can be found because $f'$ is assumed to be bounded in $(x_1 ,x_2)$. Now if $y_1, y_2\in (x_1, x_2)$ with $y_1< y_2$, we have, by the mean value theorem, that there is a $y\in (y_1, y_2)$ such that
$$f'(y)=\frac{f(y_2)-f(y_1)}{y_2-y_1}$$
Thus
$$\left|\frac{f(y_2)-f(y_1)}{y_2-y_1}\right|\leq M$$
giving
$$|f(y_2)-f(y_1)|\leq M(y_2-y_1) \leq M(x_2-x_1)$$
Now can you see why $f$ is bounded in $(x_1, x_2)$?
 
It is a little strange that you specifically define "bounded" and "restricted" but then ask about a function being "limited" which you did not define.
 

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