Is Acceleration Perpendicular to Velocity in Energy-Momentum Tensor Algebra?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of acceleration and velocity within the context of the energy-momentum tensor algebra, specifically in the framework of general relativity. Participants are tasked with demonstrating that acceleration is perpendicular to velocity and exploring related equations and concepts.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants examine the relationship between 4-velocity and 4-acceleration, questioning the validity of certain steps in the derivation. There is a focus on the normalization of the 4-velocity and its implications for the orthogonality of acceleration and velocity.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants suggest alternative approaches to proving the orthogonality of acceleration and velocity, while others challenge assumptions made in earlier steps. There is no explicit consensus on the correct method yet, but several productive lines of reasoning have been proposed.

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Participants are working under the constraints of specific homework rules, and there are indications of missing information or assumptions that may affect the derivation process. The discussion includes references to both special relativity and general relativity, highlighting the need for generalizations in the latter context.

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Homework Statement



(a) Show acceleration is perpendicular to velocity
(b)Show the following relations
(c) Show the continuity equation
(d) Show if P = 0 geodesics obey:

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The Attempt at a Solution

Part (a)

U_{\mu}A^{\mu} = U_{\mu}U^v \left[ \partial_v U^{\mu} + \Gamma_{v\epsilon}^{\mu} U^{\epsilon} \right]
= \delta_\mu^{v} \left[ \partial_v U^{\mu} + \Gamma_{v\epsilon}^{\mu} U^{\epsilon} \right]
= \partial_{\mu} U^{\mu} + \Gamma_{\mu \epsilon}^{\mu} U^{\epsilon}
= \partial_{\mu} U^{\mu} + \Gamma_{\mu mu}^{\mu} U^{\mu}
= \partial_{\mu} U^{\mu} + \left[ \frac{1}{2} g^{\mu \mu} (\partial_{\mu} g_{\mu \mu} + \partial_{\mu} g_{\mu \mu} - \partial_\mu g_{\mu\mu} ) \right] U^{\mu}
= -\partial_{\mu} U^{\mu} - g^{\mu\mu} \partial_{\mu} g_{\mu\mu} V^{\mu}How do I show it equals 0?
 
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Your second step is not correct. ##U_\mu U^\nu \neq \delta^\nu_\mu##.
 
Orodruin said:
Your second step is not correct. ##U_\mu U^\nu \neq \delta^\nu_\mu##.

Why is that wrong? I thought it is normalized such that ##U_\nu U^\nu = -1##.
 
Yes, which does not imply ##U_\mu U^\nu = \delta^\nu_\mu##. In fact, if it was true, then ##U_\nu U^\nu = \delta^\nu_\nu = 4##.
 
Orodruin said:
Yes, which does not imply ##U_\mu U^\nu = \delta^\nu_\mu##. In fact, if it was true, then ##U_\nu U^\nu = \delta^\nu_\nu = 4##.

Then ##U_\mu U^\nu = -\frac{\delta_\mu^\nu}{4}## to make it work? Even then, I don't see how ##
= -\frac{ \left( \partial_{\mu} U^{\mu} + g^{\mu\mu} \partial_{\mu} g_{\mu\mu} V^{\mu} \right) }{4} ## equals to 0..
 
unscientific said:
Then ##U_\mu U^\nu = -\frac{\delta_\mu^\nu}{4}## to make it work? Even then, I don't see how ##
= -\frac{ \left( \partial_{\mu} U^{\mu} + g^{\mu\mu} \partial_{\mu} g_{\mu\mu} V^{\mu} \right) }{4} ## equals to 0..

No, you still cannot draw this conclusion and you will have to find another way around. Think of a 4-velocity in SR and express it in the rest frame: ##U^\mu = (1,0,0,0)##. Now, obviously, ##U_2 U^2 = 0##, which would not be true if ##U_\mu U^\nu = - \delta^\nu_\mu/4##. Clearly the only non-zero component of this tensor is the 00 component. This has a straight forward generalisation to GR.

I suggest you instead try to think of how you wokld prove this in SR and try to generalise the result to GR.
 
Orodruin said:
No, you still cannot draw this conclusion and you will have to find another way around. Think of a 4-velocity in SR and express it in the rest frame: ##U^\mu = (1,0,0,0)##. Now, obviously, ##U_2 U^2 = 0##, which would not be true if ##U_\mu U^\nu = - \delta^\nu_\mu/4##. Clearly the only non-zero component of this tensor is the 00 component. This has a straight forward generalisation to GR.

I suggest you instead try to think of how you wokld prove this in SR and try to generalise the result to GR.

I can do it in SR, but that's not the point of this exercise. I need to work with the form I'm given: ##U_\mu A^\mu = U_\mu U^v\nabla_v U^\mu## and show it is equal to 0..
 
unscientific said:
I can do it in SR, but that's not the point of this exercise.
My point is that you can do it exactly in the same way in GR, with some generalisations required due to no longer having simply ##U^\nu \partial_\nu##, but instead having ##U^\nu \nabla_\nu##. This is why I suggest that you first recall how you do it in SR.
 
Orodruin said:
My point is that you can do it exactly in the same way in GR, with some generalisations required due to no longer having simply ##U^\nu \partial_\nu##, but instead having ##U^\nu \nabla_\nu##. This is why I suggest that you first recall how you do it in SR.

Ok, let's try it here.

The 4-velocity is given by ##U = \gamma(c, \vec v)##. In the rest frame, ##U' = c(1,0)##.
The 4-acceleration is given by ##\frac{dU}{d\tau}##. In rest frame, ##A' = (0,\vec a_0)##.

Using invariance, ##U \cdot A = U' \cdot A' = 0##.
 
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Ok, that is cheating a bit. You have essentially used that ##A## is orthogonal to ##U## when writing it down in the rest frame in order to show that ##A## is orthogonal to ##U##.

How about instead trying to show it using the definition of the 4-acceleration, i.e., show that
$$
U \cdot A = U \cdot \frac{dU}{d\tau} = 0?
$$
 
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Orodruin said:
Ok, that is cheating a bit. You have essentially used that ##A## is orthogonal to ##U## when writing it down in the rest frame in order to show that ##A## is orthogonal to ##U##.

How about instead trying to show it using the definition of the 4-acceleration, i.e., show that
$$
U \cdot A = U \cdot \frac{dU}{d\tau} = 0?
$$

\frac{d}{d\tau} (U \cdot U) = \frac{d}{d\tau}( -1) = 0
 
  • #12
I think I got a quick way to show it:

Orodruin said:
Ok, that is cheating a bit. You have essentially used that ##A## is orthogonal to ##U## when writing it down in the rest frame in order to show that ##A## is orthogonal to ##U##.

How about instead trying to show it using the definition of the 4-acceleration, i.e., show that
$$
U \cdot A = U \cdot \frac{dU}{d\tau} = 0?
$$

\frac{D}{D \tau} (U \cdot U) = 0
2U \cdot \frac{D}{D\tau} U = 0
U_\mu U^{\alpha} \nabla_{\alpha} U^{\mu} = 0
 
  • #13
Orodruin said:
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$$

I tried to do part (c), but I feel like I'm missing something:

\nabla_\mu \left[ (\rho + P) U^\mu U^v + g^{\mu v} P \right] = 0

Using ##\nabla_\mu g^{\mu v} = 0## and ##\nabla_\mu U^\mu = 0##:

\nabla_\mu \left[ (\rho + P) U^\mu U^v \right] + g^{\mu v} \nabla_\mu P = 0

U^\mu U^v\nabla_\mu (\rho + P) + (\rho + P)U^\mu \nabla_\mu U^v + g^{\mu v} \nabla_\mu P = 0

Multiplying ##U_v## throughout on the left to cancel out the middle term:

U^\mu (U_v U^v)\nabla_\mu (\rho + P) + g^{\mu v}U_v \nabla_\mu P = 0

-U^\mu \nabla_\mu (\rho + P) + g^{\mu v}U_v \nabla_\mu P = 0
 
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  • #14
Who says ##\nabla_\mu U^\mu =0##? If this was true there would not be much sense in having such a term in the expression you are supposed to derive (and if you assume it you are going to miss this term). Apart from that it looks like you are done already.
 

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