Is Astrobiology a Legitimate Scientific Field?

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The discussion centers around the legitimacy of astrobiology as a scientific field, exploring its relevance, funding challenges, and the existence of extraterrestrial life. Participants engage with concepts from astrobiology, SETI, and the implications of life beyond Earth, touching on theoretical, philosophical, and empirical aspects.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that astrobiology is a legitimate field of study, citing academic programs like those at the University of Washington.
  • Others express skepticism about the mainstream acceptance of astrobiology, suggesting it is considered fringe by some.
  • Concerns are raised about funding for astrobiology and related research, particularly in the context of government priorities.
  • Several participants express belief in the existence of extraterrestrial life, with varying views on the likelihood of advanced civilizations and their potential interactions with Earth.
  • One participant discusses the probability of life existing elsewhere in the universe, referencing the laws of physics and the chaotic nature of evolutionary processes.
  • Another participant mentions the significance of detecting oxygen in exoplanet atmospheres as a potential indicator of life.
  • Discussion includes references to the Fermi Paradox and the Drake Equation, highlighting the tension between the belief in extraterrestrial life and the lack of evidence for advanced civilizations.
  • Some participants speculate on the implications of non-linear dynamics and quantum entanglement in the context of life and intelligence in the universe.
  • Examples of ongoing research in xenobiology and astrobiology, such as studies of Mars and Europa, are presented as evidence against the notion that the field is entirely fringe.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the legitimacy of astrobiology as a scientific field. While some support its validity and relevance, others view it as fringe or question its funding and acceptance within the broader scientific community. The existence of extraterrestrial life is also a point of contention, with varying beliefs and interpretations of evidence.

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Limitations include the speculative nature of many claims regarding extraterrestrial life and the philosophical implications of existence and intelligence in the universe. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions and interpretations that are not universally accepted.

  • #61


qraal said:
Comets and asteroids in the protoplanetary nebula would have been efficiently heated by Aluminium-26 decay.

But that heating should only last a few million years at most, as I understand.
 
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  • #62


LURCH said:
But that heating should only last a few million years at most, as I understand.

According to Wickramasinghe's thermal modelling the comets of sufficient size efficiently retain heat from the initial decay spike to remain liquid for far longer. Don't forget the Sun's energy input would have been significant too. Once the comets were scattered into the Opik-Oort Cloud they would've preserved any biomolecules created, perhaps even concentrating them sufficiently for Life to begin. Biogenesis gurus Leslie Orgel & Stanley Miller independently concluded that proto-life biochemistry would have been accelerated by freezing the medium, due to the concentrating action of the way water freezes especially when full of solutes.
 
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  • #64


Given the shear unimaginable size of the universe, the question is not whether there is intelligent life outside of earth, but instead how much life?

Look into Drake's equation for an interesting discussion of this assertion.

Given the biology of some of the known exoplanets, life similar to life on Earth is not probable. However, we are bound to find an Earth size planet in its sun's habitable zone that will give us the best change of life elsewhere in the universe.
 
  • #65


Agreed. Once you establish that planets are common [which has been done], the existence of extrasolar life is a certainty. Are any such life forms intelligent [as in human like intelligence] - that is unknown at present. My guess is there must be at least a half dozen human-like civilizations scattered across the galaxy at present. The real problem is traversing the vast distances of space between stars, imo. I doubt any civilization has yet mastered that feat. The energy costs are just too enormous. Perhaps a civilization a million years ahead of our own could accomplish this feat. I suspect they are too busy exploring their own neighborhoods for resources and potential relocation sites to give much thought to traveling here.
 
  • #66


But drake's equation is nothing but a string of complete unknowns. It does not give us any idea about the likelyhood of extrasolar life, nor do I believe Drake intended it to. It merely gives us a formalism by which that likelyhood could be calculated at some point in the future, when some of the variables can be filled in.

As for intelligent life; look into Fermi's Paradox.
 
  • #67


Somebody found amino acid on a comet
 
  • #68


cosmolojosh said:
Somebody found amino acid on a comet

I am aware of NASA supposedly finding some kind of organic material on a martian meteorite some time ago, which according to them ended up being because it had been contaminated.

Where did you hear the story about the amino acid on a comet?
 
  • #69


Planethunter, go to science.discoery.com. It is the website of the science channel. Go to brink. Then go to videos and watch proof of alien life.
 
  • #70


Find ozone in an exoplanet atmosphere and you have found the smoking gun for life. That study is already underway.
 
  • #71


There is 2 problems with seti anyway. 1. it would take a human like species. There is also a million and 1 other explamaations for what seti is looking for.
 
  • #72


Does astrobiology imply that life exists elsewhere in the Universe besides earth?
 
  • #73


JerryClower said:
Does astrobiology imply that life exists elsewhere in the Universe besides earth?

That's what it means, though of course it might all be related to Life here by panspermia.
 

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