Is boiling just high vapor pressure?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of boiling and its relationship to vapor pressure, exploring definitions and conditions necessary for boiling to occur. Participants examine whether boiling can be simply described as a high vapor pressure and consider the implications of external pressure and bubble formation within liquids.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that boiling is essentially a high vapor pressure, while others clarify that it is specifically when vapor pressure equals external pressure.
  • One participant emphasizes that boiling requires the initiation of bubbles within the liquid, arguing that overheated liquids can evaporate without boiling.
  • Another participant notes that external pressure can vary and is not limited to atmospheric pressure, referencing scenarios like vacuum distillation.
  • There is a challenge regarding the definition of boiling, with references to supercooling and its implications for defining freezing points.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition of boiling, particularly regarding the role of vapor pressure and bubble formation. No consensus is reached on a singular definition.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various conditions under which boiling can occur, such as external pressure variations and the necessity of bubble formation, indicating that definitions may depend on specific contexts.

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Is boiling basically a really high vapor pressure?
 
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Not "really high" - just high enough.
 
From memory, boiling is the condition where the vapor pressure equals that of the atmospheric pressure.
 
Yanick said:
From memory, boiling is the condition where the vapor pressure equals that of the atmospheric pressure.

External pressure (which doesn't have to mean atmospheric - think vacuum, distillation, think steam engine boiler). But you are mostly right, that's the definition.
 
Not sufficient. Boiling also requires that bubbles must actually be initiated inside liquids. Overheated liquids do not boil even if they are rapidly evaporating from free surface.
 
snorkack said:
Not sufficient. Boiling also requires that bubbles must actually be initiated inside liquids. Overheated liquids do not boil even if they are rapidly evaporating from free surface.

How does it matter for the definition?
 
Borek said:
External pressure (which doesn't have to mean atmospheric - think vacuum, distillation, think steam engine boiler). But you are mostly right, that's the definition.

Yes you are correct, I should have been more specific. It is indeed the external pressure, atmospheric pressure being a specific case.

snorkack said:
Not sufficient. Boiling also requires that bubbles must actually be initiated inside liquids. Overheated liquids do not boil even if they are rapidly evaporating from free surface.

My P-Chem text and Wikipedia both disagree with you. I see what you are getting at, but then would you not consider the freezing point of pure water 0 degrees C because it can be supercooled?
 

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