Is d(v2) the Best Form for Finding the Derivative for Energy?

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation of energy expressions in the context of physics, specifically focusing on the relationship between velocity and height in gravitational potential energy scenarios.

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  • Participants explore the differentiation of expressions involving velocity squared and question the validity of their mathematical steps. There is confusion regarding the interpretation of derivatives, particularly whether certain forms represent first or second derivatives.

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Some participants have provided insights into the differentiation process and clarified aspects of derivative notation. There is ongoing exploration of different forms of expressing the derivative, with no explicit consensus reached on the best approach.

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Homework Statement


1/2mz^2 +mgh=mgh-zero , get g

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z= velocity

z^2=g(2h0-2h)

if i set z^2=a
2h0=b (nonvariable)
2h=c

a=g(b-c)
y'=-g
Can i then say that

dz^2/d2h = -g

I wonder if every step is correct, The writing inbetween is not very important! I mostly wonder about the math. That if i do the substitution it actually work that way! x0 is not a variable!

dv^2/d2h feels like second derivate, but i use it as a first derivate or something, that was makes me clueless
 
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Dousin12 said:
dv^2/d2h feels like second derivate, but i use it as a first derivate or something, that was makes me clueless
No, it's a first derivative. A second derivative would have a power of 2 on the d itself (in the numerator).
It is correct, though you can take the 2 outside the 'd', in the denominator: ##\frac{d(v^2)}{2dh}##.
The d(v2) can also be simplified.
 
2v/2dh?

But y-axis has to be z^2 for it to show -g as a graph and not 2z hmmm

I was sortof proving that if y-axis is z^2 and x-axis 2h it will represent

Checked with theory numbers and it shows 9,81 excaltly so it works
 
Dousin12 said:
2v/2dh?

But y-axis has to be z^2 for it to show -g as a graph and not 2z hmmm

I was sortof proving that if y-axis is z^2 and x-axis 2h it will represent

Checked with theory numbers and it shows 9,81 excaltly so it works
If the d(v2) form gives you all you need, that's fine. But it can also be written as 2vdv, giving ##v\frac{dv}{dh}##.
 

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