Is Fgy the Same as FN in a System with Two Masses and Friction?

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The discussion revolves around the normal force (FN) in a system involving two masses and friction, specifically questioning the relationship between the gravitational force component (Fgy) and the normal force for the first object on an incline.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to equate Fgy with FN, leading to confusion among participants. Some participants suggest drawing a force diagram to clarify the relationships between the forces acting on the first mass.

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Participants are exploring the validity of the original poster's assumptions regarding the normal force and gravitational components. There is a suggestion to utilize a force diagram to aid understanding, but no consensus has been reached on the correct interpretation of the forces involved.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a missing diagram that previously illustrated the setup of the two masses, which may have contributed to the confusion regarding the forces at play.

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Homework Statement
what is the acceleration and tension of this system
Coefficient of kinetic friction = 0.5
“” “ static “ = 0.6
Mass1 = 20kg
Mass2= 12kg
Relevant Equations
F= ma
Fg = mg
I am just confused on how to find the normal force/ FN of the first object. My classmates are saying Fgy is the exact same as Fn but I don’t get why

Fgy= Fg sin theta
Fgy= (20)(9.81) (sin35)
Fgy= 112.5

Fgy = FN
 
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Your classmates are wrong. Having said that, your expression is incorrect. Draw a force diagram for m1 and you will see why. Hint: sine = opposite/hypotenuse; cosine = adjacent/hypotenuse.
 
kuruman said:
Your classmates are wrong. Having said that, your expression is incorrect. Draw a force diagram for m1 and you will see why. Hint: sine = opposite/hypotenuse; cosine = adjacent/hypotenuse.
Ok, thank you
 
Is there a diagram that goes with this problem?
 
berkeman said:
Is there a diagram that goes with this problem?
There was, but now it's gone. It showed two masses, m1 on an incline attached to a rope over a pulley to a m2 hanging straight down.
 
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Thanks @kuruman -- I looked in the post history and didn't see a figure. OP must have deleted it after you helped them.
 
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