Is Flat Wire More Efficient for Generator Windings?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the efficiency of using flat wire versus round wire for copper windings in generators, particularly in the context of AC and DC applications. Participants explore concepts related to skin depth, magnetic field penetration, and the implications for winding design.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether most of the copper in round windings is wasted due to limited magnetic penetration, suggesting that flat wire might be more efficient.
  • Another participant explains that at DC or very low frequencies, magnetism penetrates copper completely, while at AC frequencies, the skin depth limits penetration, making rectangular wire sometimes preferable for packing efficiency and mechanical considerations.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the frequency range relevant to their question, specifically in the context of 3 phase AC, and questions the orientation of flat wire relative to the magnetic field.
  • It is noted that skin depth in copper is approximately 8 mm at 60 Hz and that for rectangular conductors, the long dimension should align with the magnetic field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the efficiency of flat versus round wire, particularly regarding the implications of skin depth and magnetic field orientation. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the optimal design for generator windings.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific frequencies and their effects on skin depth, but the implications of these factors on overall efficiency and design choices are not fully resolved.

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Hello all, I have a simple question about copper windings on generators.

From what I have read, magnetism only penetrates the skin of a copper wire by very little.
Dosnt this mean that most of the copper in a winding is wasted ?

And wouldn't it be more efficient to use flat wire "-" instead of round "o" ?
 
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Magnetism completely penetrates copper at dc or very low frequencies. At ac frequencies, the penetration depth is called the skin depth. There are two situations where the copper dimensions are important. 1) For current being carried in copper conductor, the ac current tends to be carried on the surface, limited to the skin depth, so sometimes rectangular wire is perferred (but also for packing efficiency and mechanical considerations). Hollow water-cooled copper conductor is always square or rectangular. 2) Eddy currents can be generated (and dissipated) in copper wires exposed to ac magnetic fields. this leads to heat dissipation that has to be removed. The orientation of the flat surfaces of the conductor relative to the magnetic field direction is important.
Bob S
 
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Thanks for reply!

Was thinking in terms of 3 phase AC, don't know if "frequency" would be considered to be DC. 50-200Hz ?

When you say "orientation", I am assuming that the "plane side" of flat wire is perpendicular to the magnets pole,
 
Skin depth in copper is about 8 mm at 60 Hz, and varies inversely as sqrt(frequency). For rectangular copper conductors, the long dimension should be parallel to the magnetic field.
Bob S
 

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