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Is Fox News "Fair and Balanced?"

  • Balanced, and I watch Fox News regularly (daily or weekly)

    Votes: 4 11.1%
  • Balanced, and I watch Fox News irregularly (a few times a month)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Balanced, and I watch Fox News rarely (yearly or less)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Unbalanced but similar to other news programs, and I watch Fox News regularly (daily or weekly)

    Votes: 4 11.1%
  • Unbalanced but similar to other news programs, and I watch Fox News irregularly (...month...)

    Votes: 2 5.6%
  • Unbalanced but similar to other news programs, and I watch Fox News rarely (yearly or less)

    Votes: 7 19.4%
  • Unbalanced unlike most news programs, and I watch Fox News regularly (daily or weekly)

    Votes: 1 2.8%
  • Unbalanced unlike most news programs, and I watch Fox News irregularly (a few times a month)

    Votes: 6 16.7%
  • Unbalanced unlike most news programs, and I watch Fox News rarely (yearly or less)

    Votes: 9 25.0%
  • No opinion, and I watch Fox News regularly (daily or weekly)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No opinion, and I watch Fox News irregularly (a few times a month)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No opinion, and I watch Fox News rarely (yearly or less)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Decline to answer/don't understand

    Votes: 3 8.3%

  • Total voters
    36
  • Poll closed .

CRGreathouse

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Is Fox News "Fair and Balanced"? (different than last poll!)

Relative to other news programs, how would you rate Fox News?
 
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Relative to other news programs, how would you rate Fox News?
Someone needs to say it - Fox has the most attractive female personnel - as a group.
 
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This thread is ridiculous, your cause is desperate : in the other thread, Ivan provided for you a link to a published study showing that Fox was twice more biased than ABC, PBS and CNN, and biased in the opposite direction, compared to the average american voter.

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For future reference, the initial thread was here :
"News" for entertainment

Please everybody appreciate how Fox advocates now shamelessly value opinion polls above scientific studies... Thanks to the authors of this thread for the demonstration !
 
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I can't access the actual study, but the summary did not say CNN, ABC, or PBS were more moderate, it cited specific programs on those channels that it sees as more moderate (just focusing on the news programs of those channels).

Our results show a strong liberal bias: all of the news outlets we examine, except Fox News' Special Report and the Washington Times, received scores to the left of the average member of Congress. Consistent with claims made by conservative critics, CBS Evening News and the New York Times received scores far to the left of center. The most centrist media outlets were PBS News Hour, CNN's Newsnight, and ABC's Good Morning America; among print outlets, USA Today was closest to the center. All of our findings refer strictly to news content; that is, we exclude editorials, letters, and the like.
Fox News's Special Report has a conservative slant to it (it was started by Brit Hume originally), but they do seek to present both sides of an opinion I think, in particular during the panel at the end of the show.

Two of the most balanced shows I think that discuss the issues are Fox News Sunday (usually their panel consists of righties, lefties, and centrists, for example a few weeks ago Maura Liasson compared Nancy Pelosi to Winston Churchill on the program (definitely not a conservative opinion!), also Chris Wallace usually interviews politicians from both parties)), and Inside Washington, which usually has a couple of lefties, a centrist occassionally, and a rightie (Charles Krauthammer). These are not hard news shows however (or I don't think they are?).
 

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This thread is ridiculous, your cause is desperate
Why is the thread ridiculous? It seems to provide interesting and relevant information. (PM me for more, I'm reluctant to post lest I bias the poll.)

What do you mean by my cause?
 
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I can't access the actual study, but the summary did not say CNN, ABC, or PBS were more moderate, it cited specific programs on those channels that it sees as more moderate (just focusing on the news programs of those channels).
It took me a couple of minutes to find it from a webpage belonging to one of the authors
A measure of media bias
 
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Why is the thread ridiculous?
Because opinion polls have a lower value than scientific studies. I find it ridiculous that one would ignore a scientific study and decide to post a poll about Fox, because this is precisely the kind of methods which Fox would use/advocate/have no problem with.
What do you mean by my cause?
Your cause amounts to trying to sort out a question by polling rather than scientific investigation. One of the main reproaches I have (PERSONAL OPINION) with Fox is that they constantly mix opinions with facts. Even worse, they often state opinions before trying to justifying them with isolated facts/anecdotes. This is backwards journalism.

I do not claim that the study Ivan provided is perfect. I just claim that moving forward would be to discuss the study, its means of measurement and/or implications. Polling is a step backwards. I would also be interested in other scientific studies.
 
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Because opinion polls have a lower value than scientific studies. I find it ridiculous that one would ignore a scientific study and decide to post a poll about Fox, because this is precisely the kind of methods which Fox would use/advocate/have no problem with.
I've read the entire study already (months ago -- when it came out I only read the abstract and maybe a dozen pages, but I came back later to finish it). Why do you claim that I'm ignoring it?

Your cause amounts to trying to sort out a question by polling rather than scientific investigation.
Once again, what is "my cause"?
 
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I have stated what I wanted to state, and I believe clearly enough.
 

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I have stated what I wanted to state, and I believe clearly enough.
I'm sending a PM.
 

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So far CRG is only soliciting PERSONAL OPINIONs of PFrs. Why is it ridiculous for him to do so, but not for you (humanino) to express your own opinion on the subject?
 

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So far CRG is only soliciting PERSONAL OPINIONs of PFrs. Why is it ridiculous for him to do so, but not for you (humanino) to express your own opinion on the subject?
I think (?) this has been patched up by PM. I think there was some misunderstanding regarding the thread.
 
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It took me a couple of minutes to find it from a webpage belonging to one of the authors
A measure of media bias
I can't tell what side your on. The study you cited assigns the American media an average hypothetical ADA score of 62.6. A score greater than 50 would be defined as "more liberal". Therefore, the American media, according to your study, has at least a greater than 20% liberal bias.

Fox News, according to the study, does have a conservative bias, but it is less than the media's average liberal bias. That is to say, Fox (which is regarded as ideologically extreme in popular opinion) is in fact less biased than the average media outlet in the United States, though admittedly not by much.

Does this help or hinder your cause? I can't tell. You seem to want to say that Fox is ideologically extreme. The study suggests, relative to American media generally, it is in fact more moderate than the average.
 

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Does this help or hinder your cause?
I hope that we can make the pursuit of correct knowledge the goal here.
 
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You seem to want to say that Fox is ideologically extreme.
People just like to use those words to describe anything they disagree with. It's obvious to most that the words "ideological extreme", "radical right", etc are just used to mean that someone is less Marxist/socialist than they are.

I notice the same posters who misuse those terms consistently spout Marxist propaganda themselves, often practically quoting Marx, seemingly without even realizing it.
 

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Fox News, according to the study, does have a conservative bias, but it is less than the media's average liberal bias. That is to say, Fox (which is regarded as ideologically extreme in popular opinion) is in fact less biased than the average media outlet in the United States, though admittedly not by much.
Do you know if the difference is statistically significant according to the study?
 
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Fox News is unbalanced, but I don't care. I prefer to watch it as opposed to most other media organizations which are equally unbalanced IMO. I believe most people understand this. For someone to take offense at this poll is rediculous IMO.
 

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I voted "Unbalanced unlike most news programs, and I watch Fox News irregularly (a few times a month)"....however, I don't think that charcterization is quite accurate, for two reasons:

1. Fox News is a network, not a news program.
2. "Most news programs" is a very tough thing to judge. If it is intended to be compared with ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN, then it is certainly more biased. If it is intended to be compared to MSNBC in an entirely separate class of network, then they are about equal.

One of the big dangers here is in comparing the Fox network to (for example) the CBS Evening News and then ignoring the other "news" on CBS. IE, the bias of 60 Minutes is far stronger and the reporting more tabloid-y than that of the Evening News. Conversely, I've seen a number of people in here who know better refer to Glen Beck as an "anchor".
 
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If there is a doubt whether a news organization is fair and balanced then it has already lost its credibility. Oddly for all its touting itself as fair and balanced (perhaps necessary in order to preserve some credibility) Fox News appealed and won the case of Steve Wilson & Jane Akre who were fired for refusing to broadcast a false version of their report on bovine growth hormone in milk, thus winning the right to broadcast lies. How much further from fair and balanced can you get? Is their audience made up primarily of people who watch because Fox News presents the news they want to hear instead of the truth?
 
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If there is a doubt whether a news organization is fair and balanced then it has already lost its credibility. Oddly for all its touting itself as fair and balanced (perhaps necessary in order to preserve some credibility) Fox News appealed and won the case of Steve Wilson & Jane Akre who were fired for refusing to broadcast a false version of their report on bovine growth hormone in milk, thus winning the right to broadcast lies. How much further from fair and balanced can you get? Is their audience made up primarily of people who watch because Fox News presents the news they want to hear instead of the truth?
I would say the credibility benchmark is a moving target.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE58S5GK20090929
" (Reuters) - A New York state appeals court on Tuesday dismissed former TV newsman Dan Rather's lawsuit against CBS Corp in which Rather claimed he was made a scapegoat in a scandal over a 2004 report on then-President George W. Bush's military record."
 

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russ -- those are fair criticisms. Feel free to start your own poll, if you like.
 

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I picked "Unbalanced unlike most news programs, and I watch Fox News irregularly (a few times a month)", but I really mean "Unbalanced unlike most news programs, and I used to watch Fox News irregularly (a few times a month)". I don't watch TV anymore (unless I'm visiting someone or at a pub - both pretty rare), so can not say very much about the present state of TV news. I interpreted "News programs" along the lines of Russ' clarification - that is, I compared it with ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS and MSNBC and found it more biased than most of them.
 
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I would say the credibility benchmark is a moving target.
I don't understand your moving target comment. Dan Rather was fired for failing to substantiate his claim that George Bush received special treatment leaving open the possibility that his report was false. That is in contrast to Jane Akre and Steve Wilson who had substantiated the truth of their report but were ordered not only not to report the truth but to report a lie instead.

The two cases are not at all similar and hardly represent a moving target.
 

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I don't understand your moving target comment. Dan Rather was fired for failing to substantiate his claim that George Bush received special treatment leaving open the possibility that his report was false.
You really don't know the facts of the case, do you.
 

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