Is it ever possible we could do better than binary for computers

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The discussion revolves around the exploration of alternatives to binary programming, with a focus on the potential for a new coding system that could surpass binary's limitations. Participants debate the definition of "better," suggesting that a superior system would allow for faster processing and the ability to handle more complex answers. Various computing paradigms are mentioned, including ternary and quantum computing, which offer more than two states and could theoretically provide advantages over binary systems.The concept of introducing a "never" state alongside traditional binary options is proposed as a way to enhance decision-making capabilities. However, many contributors emphasize the importance of understanding existing computer science principles before attempting to innovate. They caution against the assumption that new ideas can easily replace established binary logic without a solid foundation in the underlying technology. The conversation highlights the need for further research and education in computer science to evaluate the feasibility of such ideas, while also acknowledging the potential for future advancements in computing technology.
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thank you Drakkith,

firstly if it certain I am wrong, and you don't think we could or should ever do better than binary then I don't think we will agree, but I will think about what you said.

i know i am not the man to solve this, but maybe you guys are?

I will reflect on what you said. You certainly have a far greater concept of current, known maths and science. I know I can learn from your knowledge.

However my initial idea could immediately be disproven by a game of 20 questions, or by good maths, if my idea can never work.

the only way to know is to try...it is not yet a system in use...it has not been done yet.

so it isn't in the books that everyone already read at universities...it is an idea beyond them. (not better just a new one)
with the right circuitry I believe it is possible to reach an unknown answer, faster, using never no yes as a new ternary (never tried before)
according to the links some scientists still believe ternary will one day be better than binary... i am suggesting a way to try it

maybe they were right? we haven't tried this yet?

would we need new computers? probably, but could still build them...and they could be faster...
do we have these computers? no?
yet it is not yet impossible to build these computers...

Maybe i don't understand all the applications but I believe they are still possible to exist.

I will try to learn more any suggested links can help me, if not you.

thank you so much

I have started at the end and worked backwards I hope someone can meet me in the middle!

if not i am dumb but this is the greatest day ever.
can i be proved wrong with maths by the way? or am i so wrong, its not even wrong, its wronger than wrong?! never right?!
 
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anyone want play 20 questions by the way, I will think of a real famous person...

we can try this using no yes unknown

verus never no yes?

if this is ridiculous i apologise i wished to attempt to bring some much needed light heartedness to a difficult topic (for me)

thank you
 
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norobinhood said:
firstly if it certain I am wrong, and you don't think we could or should ever do better than binary then I don't think we will agree

I said no such thing. The fundamental issue here is that you, me, and almost certainly everyone else reading this thread do not have the required knowledge and skillset to make any meaningful progress in this area. We can play '20 questions' all day long and get almost nowhere. If you're serious about wanting to make advancements in this area then the best thing to do is to start learning what we already know about the subject.

norobinhood said:
However my initial idea could immediately be disproven by a game of 20 questions, or by good maths, if my idea can never work.

That's a poor way to learn about a topic and a pain for us to answer. I don't want to spend my time repeatedly telling you the same thing in slightly different ways.

norobinhood said:
the only way to know is to try...it is not yet a system in use...it has not been done yet.

You don't even know if your idea is even a valid idea, let alone if it's been tested. You're operating under the premise that you have some new, revolutionary idea that will drastically change things.

You don't.

As I already said, you lack 99.9% of the knowledge you need to even evaluate your own idea properly. Don't be embarrassed or hurt, this is true for everyone at some point in time. I can't tell you how many ideas I had that turned out to not even make any sense once I learned more about a topic. It wasn't that they were 'wrong', it's that they weren't even valid ideas to begin with. It's like I was asking if you can swing a monkey with an upside down tire. The idea doesn't even make any sense, and once I learned more I realized that.

The question of whether or not binary is the 'best' for computers is certainly a valid question, and one that has clear answers to. But that's not the question you're really asking. You're actually asking about the vague idea that you have in your head, which isn't the same as the first question.

norobinhood said:
with the right circuitry I believe it is possible to reach an unknown answer, faster, using never no yes as a new ternary (never tried before)

Then learn about modern binary-based circuitry and figure out how to make it better or supersede it.

norobinhood said:
according to the links some scientists still believe ternary will one day be better than binary... i am suggesting a way to try it

You are not making reasonable, realistic suggestions. You are throwing sciency-sounding words around without fully understanding their meaning. Progress is not made in this way.

norobinhood said:
would we need new computers? probably, but could still build them...and they could be faster...
do we have these computers? no?
yet it is not yet impossible to build these computers...

This is what I'm talking about. You're suggesting that an as yet unbuilt and undesigned computer could be built... without knowing how to design or build it. Or even how it would be different from existing computers. You can't expect to be taken seriously when you do this.

norobinhood said:
I have started at the end and worked backwards I hope someone can meet me in the middle!

No, you've started at the beginning and immediately veered off the trail into the undergrowth, and then declared that you've reached the peak of the mountain and are coming back to meet us.
 
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Drakkith said:
I'm going to be brutally honest with you. You have no idea what you're trying to do.
I wholeheartedly agree.
Drakkith said:
You have a vague idea in your head but you lack 99.9% of the knowledge that would let you figure out whether that idea is plausible or even meaningful.
Ditto. The thread serves no useful purpose, and is now closed.

@norobinhood, do not start another thread that attempts to discuss your ideas about never/no/yes or infinity/never. Get some knowledge first before advancing hare-brained schemes.
 
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