Is it possible for an atom to have a pure electrical charge?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of whether an atom can possess a pure electrical charge and the implications of atomic purity on phenomena such as friction. Participants explore theoretical aspects of atomic charge and purity, as well as practical limitations in achieving such conditions.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if it is possible to create an atom with no impurities, linking this idea to the occurrence of friction.
  • Another participant clarifies that an atom itself cannot be impure, but samples of elements will never be 100% pure, and that friction is primarily related to surface roughness rather than atomic purity.
  • A participant references a forum discussion suggesting that friction arises from electromagnetic interactions between atoms and posits that for a frictionless state, atoms would need to share the same electrical charge, though this is described as theoretical.
  • There is a challenge to the validity of the referenced forum's claim regarding friction and atomic charge, with one participant dismissing it as nonsense.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of atomic purity and its relation to friction. There is no consensus on the theoretical possibility of achieving a purely charged atom or the validity of claims made in the referenced forum.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of purity and charge, and the implications of these concepts on physical interactions like friction remain unresolved.

ARC123
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Please don't hate if this is a stupid question, I am a freshmen in high school so I don't know this stuff.

What I am really talking about is how all atoms have some impurity in them which is why friction happens, but is there a way to create one with no impurity?
 
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Hi ARC123, welcome to PF!

ARC123 said:
What I am really talking about is how all atoms have some impurity in them
An atom is an atom, it can't be impure. If you have a sample of an element, then yes, it will never be 100% pure.

ARC123 said:
which is why friction happens,
Friction has nothing to do with purity. It depends (mostly) on surface roughness.

ARC123 said:
but is there a way to create one with no impurity?
If what you are talking about is a sample (a chunk if it is a solid), then no, it is basically impossible to have it completely pure. It is a mixture to start with, and it's not possible to separate it completely.
 
DrClaude said:
Hi ARC123, welcome to PF!An atom is an atom, it can't be impure. If you have a sample of an element, then yes, it will never be 100% pure.Friction has nothing to do with purity. It depends (mostly) on surface roughness.If what you are talking about is a sample (a chunk if it is a solid), then no, it is basically impossible to have it completely pure. It is a mixture to start with, and it's not possible to separate it completely.
An atom is an atom, it can't be impure. If you have a sample of an element, then yes, it will never be 100% pure.Friction has nothing to do with purity. It depends (mostly) on surface roughness.If what you are talking about is a sample (a chunk if it is a solid), then no, it is basically impossible to have it completely pure. It is a mixture to start with, and it's not possible to separate it completely.[/QUOTE]
DrClaude said:
Hi ARC123, welcome to PF!An atom is an atom, it can't be impure. If you have a sample of an element, then yes, it will never be 100% pure.Friction has nothing to do with purity. It depends (mostly) on surface roughness.If what you are talking about is a sample (a chunk if it is a solid), then no, it is basically impossible to have it completely pure. It is a mixture to start with, and it's not possible to separate it completely.

Sorry for the confusion. I recently found a forum taking about a object being friction less. In the forum they say that what really causes friction is a electromagnetic interaction between the atoms of both objects. They also said for it to be frictionless the atom would have to have the same electrical charge. He says it theoretical but not in reality. My question was theoretically how would you make a atom's charge completely positive.
Forum link: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/frictionless-surface.218782/
Look at suolintu comment for reference
 
ARC123 said:
Sorry for the confusion. I recently found a forum taking about a object being friction less. In the forum they say that what really causes friction is a electromagnetic interaction between the atoms of both objects. They also said for it to be frictionless the atom would have to have the same electrical charge. He says it theoretical but not in reality. My question was theoretically how would you make a atom's charge completely positive.
Forum link: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/frictionless-surface.218782/
Look at suolintu comment for reference
That answer from suolintu is nonsense.
 
DrClaude said:
That answer from suolintu is nonsense.
Oh okay thanks
 

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