Is it possible to accurately measure the Young's modulus of wood?

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The discussion revolves around the methods for accurately measuring the Young's modulus of wood, exploring various experimental approaches, the influence of wood's anisotropic properties, and the differences in elastic modulus under tension and compression. Participants share their ideas, methods, and considerations related to this topic.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Mark proposes a method of fixing one end of a wood sample and applying a load to measure extension, seeking feedback on its viability.
  • One participant agrees with Mark's approach but notes that the modulus of elasticity will be greater if the load is applied parallel to the wood fibers due to its anisotropic nature.
  • Mark describes a setup for measuring extension using a traveling microscope and expresses concerns about the apparatus's limitations for vertical loading.
  • A participant suggests using a strain gauge to measure deformation and provides links to resources for measuring Young's modulus.
  • Another participant raises a question about the differences in elastic modulus of wood under compression versus tension, attributing it to wood's organic cellular structure.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of the span-to-depth ratio in measuring flexural modulus, noting that a ratio of at least 6 is necessary for accuracy and discussing the potential impact of shear coupling effects.
  • One participant theorizes that the tensile modulus is higher than the compressive modulus due to the alignment of fibers under tension, while also mentioning the need to scale specimens to avoid buckling during compression testing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various methods and considerations for measuring Young's modulus, but there is no consensus on a single approach or the implications of different loading conditions. The discussion includes differing views on the effects of loading direction and the significance of specific measurement parameters.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge potential limitations related to moisture content in wood and the influence of the span-to-depth ratio on measurement accuracy. There are unresolved questions regarding the relationship between tensile and compressive moduli and the effects of wood's cellular structure.

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Hello,
I am currently carrying out an dynamic investigation of young's modulus for various linear materials such as copper, steel, and nylon but I am unsure how to find the modulus for wood.

I have several ideas including fixing one end of a sample length of wood to bench while placing a fixed load on the other and measure the extension, then work out the tensile force and strain from that.

Would this work?
Does anyone have any ideas or advice/criticism?

Regards,
Mark
 
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Yes, it should work. Note only that you'll get a greater modulus of elasticity if the applied load is in the direction of the fibers, since wood is anisotropic.
 
This is the basic idea here with the load perpendicular to the fibres.

Wood (oak)
______________________ initial heigth under zero load
---------------- l
Bench l
l
l
l
(load X)

I was planning to measure the extension using a traveling microscope under a load x, increasing X by 0.1 kg.

The reason I am doing it this way is that the apparatus that the lab i use may not be able to accomadte the wood sample vertically with the load parallel to the fibres.

Can anyone point me in the direction(online) with details for this method or any other dynamic method for measuring young's modulus.
 
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http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fplgtr/fplgtr113/ch04.pdf

I have a suspicion that the correlation you get between calculated stress and strain will not be in the ballpark. The moisture content in actual test conditions is controlled. Mark's Handbook has a pretty good chart of wood mechanical properties.
 
allthewayhome said:
This is the basic idea here with the load perpendicular to the fibres.

Wood (oak)
______________________ initial heigth under zero load
---------------- l
Bench l
l
l
l
(load X)

I was planning to measure the extension using a traveling microscope under a load x, increasing X by 0.1 kg.

The reason I am doing it this way is that the apparatus that the lab i use may not be able to accomadte the wood sample vertically with the load parallel to the fibres.

Can anyone point me in the direction(online) with details for this method or any other dynamic method for measuring young's modulus.

You could use a strain gauge to measure the deformation.

These links may help
http://midas.npl.co.uk/midas/content/mn016.html
http://www.materials.ox.ac.uk/teaching/practicals/1P2youngsmodulus.pdf
 
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hey,
I am not sure whether this is directly related, but I am trying to understand why the Elastic modulus of wood is different under compression and tension.
I believe it has something to do with the fact they are an organic substance made up of cells rather than a pure element or alloy.
Is this the case?
 
Just want to add that in order to measure the flexural modulus accurately, the span-to-depth ratio that you use should be at least 6, preferably up to 16. Span to depth ratio is the length from the cantilever point to the load application point divided by the thickness of the beam. If the wood is laminated, the modulus so measured can differ from the tensile modulus by 15% to 40%. What if you have a short S-T-D ratio, the shear coupling effect can affect your results.
 
I would think that the tensile modulus is higher than the compressive modulus - one can assume that the fibers are naturally misaligned in wood. When loaded in tension, the fibers tend to align with the loading axis, thus making the material stiffer. Under compressive load, the fibers tend to deviate more from the loading axis, making it less stiff. When it comes to compressive testing for modulus, the tested specimen has to scaled to avoid buckling, i.e. the radius of gyration has to be carefully determined ...
 

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