Is it possible to fly horizontally using augmented fly pack?

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of achieving horizontal flight using a wingless augmented flight pack, such as a jetpack, while maintaining a horizontal body position. Participants explore the physical requirements and implications of such a flight scenario, focusing on thrust components and the role of lift.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that for horizontal flight, the thrust from the jetpack must have both vertical and horizontal components, with the vertical component counteracting gravity.
  • Others argue that if the jetpack is oriented purely horizontally, without any vertical thrust, the individual would fall due to gravity, potentially traveling a significant horizontal distance before impact.
  • A participant mentions that achieving orbital velocity could theoretically allow for horizontal flight, as the ground would curve away at the same rate as the fall, though this is noted to be impractical and dangerous.
  • Some participants highlight the importance of having a vertical thrust component, suggesting that without it, horizontal flight is not feasible.
  • One participant references the Harrier jump jet as an example of vectored thrust, indicating that tilting the jetpack's exhaust downward could provide the necessary vertical lift while allowing for horizontal movement.
  • There is a discussion about the concept of force components, with clarification that any force, including that from a jetpack, can be divided into upward and horizontal components.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the feasibility of horizontal flight with a wingless jetpack. There are competing views regarding the necessity of vertical thrust and the practicality of achieving horizontal flight without wings.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the mathematical or physical assumptions regarding thrust requirements and the implications of body orientation during flight.

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Assume there is a wingless augmented flight pack such as a jetpack attached to a person's body. Assuming that there is sufficient amount of power.
will it be possible according to the laws of physics to fly in a horizontal position instead of a vertical position?

What are the requirements for someone to be able to fly horizontally using a wingless augmented flight pack?

This question ignores irrelevant factors such as health risks and etc. It's just asking if it's possible within the laws of physics to fly horizontally using a wingless flight pack.
 
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I'm not sure if you are asking about horizontal flight or about pointing the jetpack horizontally.
The thrust would have two components -- one part vertical and one part horizontal. As long as the vertical part is equal to the force of gravity, the flight would be horizontal. That is a lot easier if the jetpack exhaust is pointing down. If it was pointing more horizontally, it would have to be a huge jet to have a downward component great enough to oppose gravity. Then the horizontal component and resulting horizontal speed of flight would be like a rocket.
 
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In skydiving (ski-jumping too) it is possible to shape one's body in the general shape of an aerofoil and gain considerable lift, one can even notice stall. Whether there is sufficient lift at non-injurious speeds I'm not sure.

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FactChecker said:
I'm not sure if you are asking about horizontal flight or about pointing the jetpack horizontally.
The thrust would have two components -- one part vertical and one part horizontal. As long as the vertical part is equal to the force of gravity, the flight would be horizontal. That is a lot easier if the jetpack exhaust is pointing down. If it was pointing more horizontally, it would have to be a huge jet to have a downward component great enough to oppose gravity. Then the horizontal component and resulting horizontal speed of flight would be like a rocket.

Yes, I was referring to flying horizontally with the body in a horizontal position during flight. So does everything else you wrote still apply?
 
Tabaristiio said:
Yes, I was referring to flying horizontally with the body in a horizontal position during flight. So does everything else you wrote still apply?
So the jet pack is horizontal -- purely horizontal thrust. And the person's body is horizontal. No lift from the person's body. No wings allowed. So there is no vertical thrust of any sort. Then the jet pack and human will fall like a rock and hit the ground. Possibly miles ahead if the launch was from the top of a cliff.

The only way out would be to reach orbital velocity. Move horizontally fast enough and the ground curves downward beneath you as fast as you fall. That would burn you to a cinder if it didn't tear you apart first. But we are told to ignore such issues.
 
Tabaristiio said:
Yes, I was referring to flying horizontally with the body in a horizontal position during flight. So does everything else you wrote still apply?
The jet exhaust would have to tilt down. It needs a vertical component large enough to counteract gravity. It seems impractical to me. Wings are very important for horizontal flight.
 
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The jet exhaust would have to tilt down. It needs a vertical component large enough to counteract gravity. It seems impractical to me. Wings are very important for horizontal flight.

What do you mean by a vertical component? Could you provide an example of something like that please?
 
jbriggs444 said:
So the jet pack is horizontal -- purely horizontal thrust. And the person's body is horizontal. No lift from the person's body. No wings allowed. So there is no vertical thrust of any sort. Then the jet pack and human will fall like a rock and hit the ground. Possibly miles ahead if the launch was from the top of a cliff.

The only way out would be to reach orbital velocity. Move horizontally fast enough and the ground curves downward beneath you as fast as you fall. That would burn you to a cinder if it didn't tear you apart first. But we are told to ignore such issues.

The only rule is that the person's body is horizontal during flight and no wings are allowed. The jetpack itself can be arranged in anyway required in order to accomplish this and accommodate the body. If possible, it's allowed for the jetpack to be arranged in a way where it can do enable the horizontal fight. This includes enabling vertical thrust.

How do other wingless aircrafts fly horizontally? Assuming enough power exists, can't human augmented jet packs / flight packs also fly like that? Or is it mandatory for the aircraft to have to travel at orbital speeds in order to accomplish this?
 
Tabaristiio said:
The only rule is that the person's body is horizontal during flight and no wings are allowed. The jetpack itself can be arranged in anyway required in order to accomplish this and accommodate the body. If possible, it's allowed for the jetpack to be arranged in a way where it can do enable the horizontal fight. This includes enabling vertical thrust.,

Sure that would work. Point the jets down at some angle and some of the thrust stops him falling and some pushes him along horizontally. Take a look at the Harrier jump jet and it's vectored thrust. Yes it has wings but at slow speeds these have no lifting effect.
 
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Tabaristiio said:
What do you mean by a vertical component? Could you provide an example of something like that please?
Any force can be divided into parts of force in different directions. The force of a jetpack can be divided into the force upward and the forces sideways (horizontally). You can call those the components of the total force.
 

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