Is Light a Particle or a Wave According to Planck's Theory?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of light as described by Planck's theory, specifically addressing whether light should be considered a particle or a wave based on the equation ##E = h \nu##. Participants explore the implications of this equation in the context of blackbody radiation and the conceptual understanding of light in quantum mechanics.

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  • Some participants express confusion about how the equation ##E = h \nu## implies that light is a particle, suggesting that light could still be a wave while having its energy described by this equation.
  • One participant notes that while the energy delivered by light varies with intensity, the frequency and wavelength remain constant, leading to the same energy value for both bright and dim light.
  • Another participant argues that the description of light as consisting of entities with fixed energy does not necessarily imply that it is "corpuscular," but rather suggests the concept of "quanta."
  • A later reply critiques the term "corpuscle," stating it does not accurately reflect the properties of energy packets (photons) and discusses the potential misunderstandings arising from Feynman's characterization of photons as particles.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether light should be classified as a particle or a wave, with multiple competing views and interpretations remaining throughout the discussion.

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Participants highlight limitations in the terminology used to describe light and its energy, noting that the implications of Planck's equation may depend on the definitions and interpretations of terms like "corpuscular" and "quanta."

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I am reading Schiff's book on Quantum Mechanics.He is discussing how Planck sought to account for the Blackbody radiation phenomenon, and correctly did so by assuming that the energy of light was described by the equation ##E = h \nu##. He then claims that, because the energy of light is described by this equation, light is "sometimes like a stream of corpuscular quanta."

I am having difficulty seeing how ##E = h \nu## describing the energy of light implies that it is a particle. Couldn't light till be a wave and have its energy described by ##E = h \nu##?
 
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I am having difficulty seeing how ##E = h \nu## describing the energy of light implies that it is a particle. Couldn't light till be a wave and have its energy described by ##E = h \nu##?

If the light is very intense then the energy delivered by the light per unit time is large; and if the light is dim then the energy delivered per unit time is small. However, the frequency and the wavelength of the light is the same in both cases, so the formula ##E=h\nu## yields the same constant value for ##E## in both cases.

Thus, Planck's hypothesis was that ##E## is the amount of energy delivered by a single corpuscle, and when a bright light is delivering a large amount of energy per unit time, that should be interpreted as a large number of corpuscles each with energy ##E## being delivered.
 
Bashyboy said:
I am reading Schiff's book on Quantum Mechanics.He is discussing how Planck sought to account for the Blackbody radiation phenomenon, and correctly did so by assuming that the energy of light was described by the equation ##E = h \nu##. He then claims that, because the energy of light is described by this equation, light is "sometimes like a stream of corpuscular quanta."

I am having difficulty seeing how ##E = h \nu## describing the energy of light implies that it is a particle. Couldn't light till be a wave and have its energy described by ##E = h \nu##?
Somewhat yes. The point is that light is here described as consisting of a collection of entities with fixed energy. IMHO, "corpuscular" doesn't follow from that equation (what does follow from it is "quanta").
 
The word "corpuscle" has fallen out of use because it doesn't imply the right properties for the packets of energy in which EM radiation is delivered (the photon). I blame dear old Richard Feinman for his insistence that the Photon 'is' a particle because it has caused so many beginners to hare off in an unhelpful direction in their studies. He understood what he meant but most people don't seem to. The particle he meant was not a 'little bullet' but people insist on viewing photons that way. It is not helped by the Feinman Diagram - which is purely symbolic - and which shows the photon as a wiggly line. drawn from place to place.
 
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