Is Magnetic Susceptibility Dependent on Units?

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The discussion centers on the dependence of magnetic susceptibility on the units used for measurement, exploring the differences between cgs and SI units. Participants express confusion regarding the values of magnetic susceptibility for materials like oxygen when expressed in different unit systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that magnetic susceptibility (Xm) is constant and independent of the units used, questioning the apparent discrepancies in values across different references.
  • Another participant suggests that the differing values are equivalent and can be reconciled through conversion between unit systems, indicating that constants play a role in the differences.
  • A third participant highlights the complexity arising from the different ways magnetization and magnetic fields are measured in cgs and SI units, noting that there are variations within the cgs system itself.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the specific units used in cgs (emu/cc-Oe) and SI (A/m-T), mentioning a conversion factor of 4π.
  • One participant requests a source for the information shared, indicating a desire for verification of claims made in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express confusion and acknowledge that the topic is complex, with no consensus reached on whether magnetic susceptibility is truly independent of units or if the differences are merely due to conversion factors.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the potential for misunderstanding due to the different definitions and measurements of magnetization and magnetic fields in various unit systems, as well as the presence of multiple versions of the cgs system.

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i think magnetic susceptibility xm=M/H is contant and independent of the units we are working with.

in different refferences, they sometimes quote mks or cgs units which gives different value of Xm. It confuses me. Is Xm units dependent?

for example Xm for oxygen is about 10^-4 in cgs units but 10^-8n in mks units. i get very confused.

please help.
 
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The values mean the same. They just differ by constants. Convert the value from one unit system to another and you'll see that.
 
You are not the first, neither you will be the last. The problem is that magnetization and magnetic field may be measured in different units. The relation between magnetization, magnetic field strength, and magnetic field is also different in SI and Gauss system. Moreover, there are two versions of gauss system for electromagnetic units!

Gauss system
Electromagnetic
B=H+4\pi M
Electrostatic
c^2 B=H+4\pi M

SI

B=\mu_0 (H+M)
 
sniffer said:
i get very confused.
You're hardly alone. :smile:

The cgs unit is emu/cc-Oe, the SI unit is A/m-T. The conversion factor, however, should only be 4 \pi.

Can you provide your source ?
 

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