Is my lab missing something in their calculation of drag on a cylinder?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of drag on a non-rotating cylinder, specifically focusing on the pressure coefficient and the equations used to predict pressure distribution. Participants are examining the validity of different equations and derivations related to drag force and pressure on the cylinder.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the drag coefficient is calculated using the pressure coefficient and questions the lab's prediction of pressure as \((p-p_{0})_{max} \times \cos(\theta)\), proposing instead that it should be \((p-p_{0})_{max} \times (1-4\sin^{2}(\theta))\).
  • Another participant clarifies that the contribution of pressure to drag is indeed \((p-p_{0}) \cos(\theta)\) at angle \(\theta\), and provides a force equation involving the normal vector.
  • A different participant challenges the correctness of the equation \((p-p_{0})_{max} \times (1-4\sin^{2}(\theta))\) and suggests solving for \(p-p_{0}\) using Bernoulli's principle.
  • One participant shares their derivation using Bernoulli's equation, leading to the conclusion that \(C_{p} = 1 - 4\sin^{2}(\theta)\) and expresses uncertainty about the derivation of \(v = 2U\sin(\theta)\).
  • Another participant affirms the correctness of the equations presented and suggests that reviewing a specific section in the provided link would clarify the derivation of \(v = 2U\sin(\theta)\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct equation for pressure distribution and the derivation of related terms. There is no consensus on which equation is definitively correct, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the validity of the proposed models.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference Bernoulli's principle and specific derivations, but there are unresolved assumptions and steps in the calculations that may affect the conclusions drawn. The discussion involves varying interpretations of the equations and their applications.

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Homework Statement


I'm writing a lab report on drag on a non-rotating cylinder. The drag coefficient is calculated using the Pressure co-efficient. The problem I'm facing is that my lab states that the pressure on the cylinder can be predicted by [tex]\left(p-p_{0}\right)_{max} \times cos(\theta)[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


The research I've done on the subject leads me to conclude that the pressure on a cylinder can be predicted by [tex]\left(p-p_{0}\right)_{max} \times \left(1-4sin^{2}(\theta)[/tex] instead of the above mentioned equation.

The following is a plot I did in pylab with the experimental plot in blue and the therotical plot in green (using the 2nd equation). The y-axis represents the coeffiecent of pressure while the x-axis is the position from the stagnation point on the cylinder, in degrees.

drag-cylinder.png


My question is, am I missing something? Or is my lab wrong on this? I've been literally reading every material I can get my hands on for the past 3 or 4 hours and I'm still terribly confused.

EDIT: The following is the text from my lab notebook which confuses me.

Drag acts in the plane of motion so the pressure acting in this plane on an element at θ degrees to the cylinder is (p-p0)cosθ. The area it acts upon is small and equal to Rδθ for a unit length of the cylinder. The force on the element in the plane of the drag is the pressure multiplied by the area of the element = (p - p0)Rcosθδθ.
 
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"Drag acts in the plane of motion so the pressure acting in this plane on an element at θ degrees to the cylinder is (p-p0)cosθ."

The wording might be a bit confusing.

It should read something like: The contribution of pressure to Drag is (p-p0) cosθ at an angle θ. Since force is calculated by the following equation

F = - INTEGRAL (p * n )dS , wheren is the normal vector.

it is easy to see that the contribution to drag (Fx: force in the x-direction) is in fact (p-p0) cosθ. (simply by using Cartesian coordinates)


**sorry, i don't know how to add all the fancy math symbols.

following through your calculations you should get
[text]\left(p-p_{0}\right)_{max} \times \left(1-4sin^{2}(\theta)[/tex]

"The force on the element in the plane of the drag is the pressure multiplied by the area of the element = (p - p0)Rcosθδθ."

basically the equation i wrote above for force, but this is for a differential force (dFx).

hopefully this was of some use.
 
I'm sorry,
this is wrong:

\left(p-p_{0}\right)_{max} \times \left(1-4sin^{2}(\theta)

you should solve for p-p0 through Bernoulli's, but the rest i wrote should be okay.
 
To get 1-4sin^2(x), I did use Bernoulli's. The following page gives the derivation, you'll have to scroll down a bit.

http://www.ecourses.ou.edu/cgi-bin/ebook.cgi?doc=&topic=fl&chap_sec=07.4&page=theory

Since,

[tex]p_{0}+\frac{1}{2}\rho U^{2} = p + \frac{1}{2}\rho v^{2}_{\theta}[/tex]

where U is the velocity of the air flow and v is the velocity of the airflow at [tex]\theta[/tex]. v is given by v = [tex]2U\sin\theta[/tex]

Rearranging for p-p0

[tex]p-p_{0} = \frac{1}{2}\rho\left(U^{2} - v^{2}_{\theta}\right)}[/tex]

Subtituting into the equation for Cp:

[tex]C_{p} = \frac{\frac{1}{2}\rho\left(U^{2} - v^{2}_{\theta}\right)}{\frac{1}{2}\rho U^{2}}[/tex]

If I substitute [tex]v = 2U\sin\theta[/tex] in the above equation and cancel various terms, I end up with the following:

[tex]C_{p} = 1 - 4\sin^{2}\theta[/tex]

Does this make sense? I have not studied this material into this much depth, I knew Bernoulli but I don't know how we end up with [tex]v = 2U\sin\theta[/tex], so I just took it on faith from the above mentioned website and did the derivation.

I just want to show a theoretical pressure distribution i.e pressure distribution around a cylinder in a ideal flow, that's why I'm hunting for a function (and ended up with the above mentioned one) for Cp in terms of the position of the cylinder.
 
your equations are correct. It seems to me that if you read the section "Flow Past a Fixed Circular Cylinder" in the link you provided, you will know how v = 2 U sin(theta)
 

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