Is Quantum Mechanics Really That Hard or is it Just Poor Teaching?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the perceived difficulty of quantum mechanics (QM) and whether this is due to the complexity of the subject itself or the quality of teaching. Participants share personal experiences and opinions regarding their understanding of QM, grading practices, and the effectiveness of instructors.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Meta-discussion

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if QM is inherently difficult or poorly taught, citing a low class average as evidence of the latter.
  • Another argues that undergraduates can grasp QM, sharing their own experience of understanding it better in subsequent courses.
  • Some participants suggest that the professor's teaching style or grading expectations may have contributed to the low average, rather than the students' abilities.
  • One contributor reflects on their experience, noting that taking linear algebra and ordinary differential equations (ODEs) before QM would have made the subject easier to understand.
  • Another participant expresses that QM is not particularly difficult, suggesting that many advanced physics topics are challenging at first but become manageable with practice.
  • Concerns are raised about the fairness of grading curves, with one participant arguing that passing grades should reflect a solid understanding of the material.
  • Another counters that a normal distribution of grades in a class suggests that a 50% average does not necessarily indicate poor comprehension, sharing their own successful outcomes in advanced courses despite a low undergraduate grade.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the difficulty of QM and the effectiveness of teaching methods. There is no consensus on whether the challenges arise from the subject matter or the instructional approach.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference personal experiences with grading systems and teaching effectiveness, which may not be universally applicable. The discussion includes varying opinions on what constitutes adequate understanding and grading standards.

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I hate to post two threads in a row, but I have too many physics questions going in my head to sleep. My TA last semester told us he was taking a QM course and told us his uncurved class average was a 37. This leads me to think that no undergrad can grasp QM. Now I know only the most basic of concepts involving QM, is it that difficult to understand or is it just very difficult to explain? If the class average of 4th year undergrads is 37 that either means the teacher is awful, or the subject matter is just on another level of comprehension.
 
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Sure undergrads can grasp it. I didn't when I took quantum I, but it was starting to make sense around quantum II (grad quantum I was a pain again, but grad quantum II wasn't so bad). And plenty of people in my class understood what was going on. Maybe that professor just had their expectations set a little too high for the level of the class.
 
Most likely the professor is bad (or extremely demanding), there is something screwy with the grading, or the class was simply a poor group of students for some reason. In my undergrad QM class, it was god awful and we didn't do too well. However, a year later I took linear algebra and ODE's. Looking back, if I had taken linear and ODE's and THEN taken quantum, it would have been a cakewalk. It really is just a big exercise in linear algebra.
 
Everybody in my year did just about as well in QM as anything else, looks like teacher is bad or the TA is spinning yarns...
 
Maybe it's just that QM tends to be shrouded in some kind of awe. Personally I don't think it's all that terribly difficult. A lot of advanced physics, whether classical or quantum in nature, is difficult to understand the first time. This, I think, is why we have grad school. Once you do a lot of quantum problems, it's just as easy (or hard) as any other physics topic.

Incidentally, when I was taking undergrad quantum, my grade was approximately a 52%, which turned out to be an A-. In advanced undergrad and graduate courses, professors seem to give everyone a low numerical grade.
 
It is so unfair to curve the classes. If you don't get 80-90% you shouldn't have the highest grade. Even giving passing marks for 50% is a stretch in my opinion, why should a person pass who have proven to not understand half of the material?
 
Klockan3 said:
It is so unfair to curve the classes. If you don't get 80-90% you shouldn't have the highest grade. Even giving passing marks for 50% is a stretch in my opinion, why should a person pass who have proven to not understand half of the material?

Well for one, students in a class tend to obey a reasonably normal distribution. Unless you've genuinely got a class full of dummies, an average class grade of 50% suggests that the grading system is not calibrated such that 50% represents poor understanding of the material. I, for example, got an A- from getting half of the class points. I ended up doing well in my graduate quantum mechanics classes, as well as in other courses that require quantum mechanics (e.g. nuclear and particle physics). Doesn't seem to me like the system is broken.
 

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