Is R with the cofinite topology path connected?

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The discussion centers on the path connectivity of the real numbers R with the cofinite topology (cf). Participants argue that any two points a and b in R can be connected by a continuous path, leveraging the continuity of the identity function from the usual topology (u) to the cofinite topology. A key point raised is that since no subset of the image [a,b] is open in the cofinite topology, all functions mapping into it are continuous. However, caution is advised regarding the definition of continuity, as examples are provided to illustrate potential pitfalls in applying the continuity definition incorrectly. Ultimately, the conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding topology and continuity in the context of different topological spaces.
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u is the usual topology, cf is the cofinite topology.

yes

proof:
pick a and b in (R,cf)

((0,1),u) ~ ((a,b),u). then the identity on (a,b) is continuous is because (R,cf) \subset (R,u). map 0->a and 1->b. the fn is continuous at the end points because no subset of the image is open in (R,cf). therefore their exists a path between any a and b in (R,cf).

is this a valid proof?
 
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the fn is continuous at the end points because no subset of the image is open in (R,cf)

I didn't quite get that bit - the image of the map is [a,b] with cofinite topology, which has many open sets - whether or not they're open in the ambient space doesn't affect the continuity of the map in question?

A clearer approach could be as follows. The identity \iota:(R,u)\rightarrow(R,cf) is continuous. Any path from a to b in the usual topology is given by a continuous function f:I\rightarrow[a,b]. Thus the composition \iota\circ f:(I,u)\rightarrow([a,b],cf) is continuous.
 
olliemath said:
I didn't quite get that bit - the image of the map is [a,b] with cofinite topology, which has many open sets - whether or not they're open in the ambient space doesn't affect the continuity of the map in question?
whats the definition of continuous fn? my book has: a fn is continuous from (X,a) ->(Y,b) iff every b open image has an a open preimage in X. hence since no subset of [a,b] is cf open all functions are into [a,b] are continuous.

i actually think that i was being redundant. i think any function s.t. f(0)=a and f(1)=b is a path in (R,cf) .

olliemath said:
A clearer approach could be as follows. The identity \iota:(R,u)\rightarrow(R,cf) is continuous. Any path from a to b in the usual topology is given by a continuous function f:I\rightarrow[a,b]. Thus the composition \iota\circ f:(I,u)\rightarrow([a,b],cf) is continuous.

yea yours is good too.
 
ice109 said:
my book has: a fn is continuous from (X,a) ->(Y,b) iff every b open image has an a open preimage in X. hence since no subset of [a,b] is cf open all functions are into [a,b] are continuous.

You have to be careful when dealing with functions onto a subset of the second space.
For instance, take the set X=R-\{0\} with the topology \tau=\{\emptyset,R^+,R^-,X\}. Then using your definition the interval [a,b]\subseteq(X,\tau) has no open sets, so any function f:(I,u)\rightarrow[a,b] is continuous. Hence (X,\tau) is path connected, which implies it is connected. But the disjoint open sets R^+,R^- cover X, a contradiction.

The problem here is that a function f:(X,\tau)\rightarrow(Y,\mu) is continuous if every open set in f(X) with topology inherited from Y has open preimage.

As another example, let's work with the usual topology on R. Consider the function function f:R\rightarrow R which maps x to the first digit of its decimal expansion (e.g. 1.2->2, 0.5->5 etc. ) Then in fact this is a mapping f:R\rightarrow N. But the natural numbers contain no open sets of R, so your definition seems to suggest f is continuous. Of course it's not, at each integer there is a discontinuity (draw the graph). Can you prove f is not continuous using the definition I just gave?
 
yea you're right thanks for clearing that up for me. good counter examples btw.
 
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