Is span a subset in ##\mathbb{R}^{n}##?

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The discussion revolves around whether the span of a set of vectors in ##\mathbb{R}^{n}## is necessarily a subspace of ##\mathbb{R}^{n}##. Participants are exploring the properties of spans and their relationship to subspaces.

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  • Some participants express understanding of the conditions required for a subset to be a subspace but seek clarification on how to apply these conditions to the concept of span. Others question how to determine if a vector belongs to the span and explore alternative definitions of span.

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Participants are actively engaging with the definitions and properties of span and subspaces. Some have suggested that the image of a matrix relates to the span, while others are questioning the necessity of using matrices in this context. There is a focus on exploring the implications of the definitions provided.

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Participants are discussing the definitions of span and subspace, and there is an emphasis on understanding the foundational properties without arriving at a definitive conclusion. The conversation reflects a mix of interpretations and approaches to the problem.

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Consider the vectors ##\vec{v_{1}},\vec{v_{2}},...,\vec{v_{m}}## in ##\mathbb{R}^{n}##. Is span ##(\vec{v_{1}},...,\vec{v_{m}})## necessarily a subspace of ##\mathbb{R}^{n}##? Justify your answer.

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I understand the three conditions required for a subset to be a subspace (includes zero vector, closed under addition, closed under scalar multiplication), but I am not sure how to go about testing these properties with the span. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
 
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yango_17 said:

Homework Statement


Consider the vectors ##\vec{v_{1}},\vec{v_{2}},...,\vec{v_{m}}## in ##\mathbb{R}^{n}##. Is span ##(\vec{v_{1}},...,\vec{v_{m}})## necessarily a subspace of ##\mathbb{R}^{n}##? Justify your answer.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I understand the three conditions required for a subset to be a subspace (includes zero vector, closed under addition, closed under scalar multiplication), but I am not sure how to go about testing these properties with the span. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
What's another way to write ##span(\vec{v_{1}},...,\vec{v_{m}})##? How do you know whether a given vector is a member of this set?
 
You can rewrite span as the image of a matrix, since the image of a matrix is the span of its columns. Since image is a subspace, then does it follow that span is a subspace?
 
yango_17 said:
You can rewrite span as the image of a matrix
There's no need at all to use matrices. How does your book define the term "span"?
yango_17 said:
, since the image of a matrix is the span of its columns. Since image is a subspace, then does it follow that span is a subspace?
 
Span: Consider the vectors ##\vec{v_{1}},...,\vec{v_{m}}## in ##\mathbb{R}^{n}##. The set of all linear combinations ##c_{1}\vec{v_{1}}+...+c_{m}\vec{v_{m}}## of the vectors ##\vec{v_{1}},...,\vec{v_{m}}## is called their span:
##span(\vec{v_{1}},...,\vec{v_{m}})=\left \{ c_{1}\vec{v_{1}}+...+c_{m}\vec{v_{m}}:c_{1},...,c_{m} \right \}##
 
yango_17 said:
Span: Consider the vectors ##\vec{v_{1}},...,\vec{v_{m}}## in ##\mathbb{R}^{n}##. The set of all linear combinations ##c_{1}\vec{v_{1}}+...+c_{m}\vec{v_{m}}## of the vectors ##\vec{v_{1}},...,\vec{v_{m}}## is called their span:
##span(\vec{v_{1}},...,\vec{v_{m}})=\left \{ c_{1}\vec{v_{1}}+...+c_{m}\vec{v_{m}}:c_{1},...,c_{m} \right \}##

OK, so, if ##\vec{w}_1## and ##\vec{w}_2## are in the span, is ##\vec{w}_1 + \vec{w}_2## also in the span? If ##c## is a constant, is ##c \, \vec{w}_1## in the span? Is the vector ##\vec{0}## in the span?
 
yango_17 said:
Span: Consider the vectors ##\vec{v_{1}},...,\vec{v_{m}}## in ##\mathbb{R}^{n}##. The set of all linear combinations ##c_{1}\vec{v_{1}}+...+c_{m}\vec{v_{m}}## of the vectors ##\vec{v_{1}},...,\vec{v_{m}}## is called their span:
##span(\vec{v_{1}},...,\vec{v_{m}})=\left \{ c_{1}\vec{v_{1}}+...+c_{m}\vec{v_{m}}:c_{1},...,c_{m} \right \}##
Presumably, you mean this:
##span(\vec{v_{1}},...,\vec{v_{m}})=\left \{ c_{1}\vec{v_{1}}+...+c_{m}\vec{v_{m}}:c_{1},...,c_{m} \in \mathbb{R} \right \}##
 

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