Is Stress dependent on the material properties?

In summary: The force divided by the current cross sectional area of the sample is called the true stress. Both of these stresses are useful for different purposes. There is no contradiction.In summary, the conversation discusses the relationship between stress and material properties when the same force is applied to two different objects of the same geometry and configuration. It is determined that stress is independent of internal material properties, but strength, which corresponds to how much stress a material can support, is a material property itself. The concept of a perfectly rigid material is also explored, with the conclusion that such a material does not exist but can be assumed to have a maximum strength. It is discussed that while the
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I have this fundamental question about stress and strain.

If we apply same Force on two different objects of same geometry in the same configurations, will they experience the same stress?
If yes, then does it imply that stress is independent of the internal material properties?
 
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As Jack Action hinted at with his comment about strength, stress will be the same, provided the material properties function alike in both cases. Specifically, if one of the bodies is of a low yield point material while the other has a high yield point, for very small loads the stresses will be the same. If the stress exceeds the yield point in one of the bodies but not in the other, then the stresses will be different. By definition of yielding, in the softer material, the stress cannot rise (actually it usually does in the plastic range, but that just complicates the picture).

Provided both bodies remain in the linear elastic range, then stress should be expected to be the same in both bodies.
 
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Dr.D said:
As Jack Action hinted at with his comment about strength, stress will be the same, provided the material properties function alike in both cases. Specifically, if one of the bodies is of a low yield point material while the other has a high yield point, for very small loads the stresses will be the same. If the stress exceeds the yield point in one of the bodies but not in the other, then the stresses will be different. By definition of yielding, in the softer material, the stress cannot rise (actually it usually does in the plastic range, but that just complicates the picture).

Provided both bodies remain in the linear elastic range, then stress should be expected to be the same in both bodies.

What if I had a perfectly rigid block and applied a force on it, will stress be defined in this case?
 
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If you had a perfectly rigid block, you should file a claim against the guarantee. There is no perfectly rigid material.
 
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Dr.D said:
If you had a perfectly rigid block, you should file a claim against the guarantee. There is no perfectly rigid material.

I am trying to relate some things by this hypothesis. So, ASSUMING you somehow have a perfectly rigid material.. there will be no strain on the block no matter what the load applied.

So, will stress be defined or not?
 
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jack action said:
By definition stress is a force acting on an area, ##\sigma= \frac{F}{A}##. So material properties does not come into play.

Though, strength is a material property in itself which corresponds to how much stress a material can support.
I have read a different definition which involves RESTORING FORCE, not the force applied. That's why confusions are arising.
 
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What is the point in discussing hypotheticals that cannot possibly exist in reality? There are no perfectly rigid materials, so that assuming one is pointless.
 
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Astronaut said:
I have read a different definition which involves RESTORING FORCE, not the force applied. That's why confusions are arising.
I don't know this definition, can you provide a source?

If you examine closely the definition of stress, you will notice it is the same one as pressure. In both cases, you are pushing against something that is pushing back, thus maybe the concept of restoring force.

For a perfectly rigid material the modulus of elasticity ##E## is infinite thus the strain ##\epsilon## is defined by ##\epsilon= \frac{\sigma}{E}= \frac{\sigma}{\infty}##. Hence, for any value of stress ##\sigma##, the strain will always be zero. So you can see that the stress is still present, it is just that any value will result with the same strain. Even if such material doesn't exist, one can always assume it would still have a maximum strength, i.e. a value of stress for which it would break.

Compare to the following stress-strain curves, a perfectly rigid material would have a vertical line aligned on the stress-axis, stopping at some maximum value.

stressstrain1.gif
 
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Dr.D said:
As Jack Action hinted at with his comment about strength, stress will be the same, provided the material properties function alike in both cases. Specifically, if one of the bodies is of a low yield point material while the other has a high yield point, for very small loads the stresses will be the same. If the stress exceeds the yield point in one of the bodies but not in the other, then the stresses will be different. By definition of yielding, in the softer material, the stress cannot rise (actually it usually does in the plastic range, but that just complicates the picture).

Provided both bodies remain in the linear elastic range, then stress should be expected to be the same in both bodies.
I disagree with this. In my judgment, even if one of the materials yields, at the same applied force, the engineering stress (based on the initial cross sectional area) will be the same for both materials. However, the true stress (calculated as the force divided by the current cross sectional area) will be higher in the material that strains more (assuming the same Poisson ratio).
 
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Chestermiller said:
I disagree with this. In my judgment, even if one of the materials yields, at the same applied force, the engineering stress (based on the initial cross sectional area) will be the same for both materials. However, the true stress (calculated as the force divided by the current cross sectional area) will be higher in the material that strains more (assuming the same Poisson ratio).

Please Can you elaborate this ??
 
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Astronaut said:
Please Can you elaborate this ??
If the deformation is large, the cross sectional area of the sample is not the same after the deformation as it was initially. This is because of the Poisson effect. The force divided by the initial cross sectional area of the sample is called the engineering stress. The force divided by the current cross sectional area of the sample (i.e., after the deformation) is called the true stress. At small strains, there is not significant difference between the engineering stress and the true stress. However, for large tensile deformations the true stress is larger than the engineering stress.
 
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Chestermiller said:
If the deformation is large, the cross sectional area of the sample is not the same after the deformation as it was initially. This is because of the Poisson effect. The force divided by the initial cross sectional area of the sample is called the engineering stress. The force divided by the current cross sectional area of the sample (i.e., after the deformation) is called the true stress. At small strains, there is not significant difference between the engineering stress and the true stress. However, for large tensile deformations the true stress is larger than the engineering stress.

Got it! Thanks
 

Related to Is Stress dependent on the material properties?

1. What is stress and how is it related to material properties?

Stress is a force or pressure applied to a material, and it can cause the material to deform or change shape. The relationship between stress and material properties is that the material's composition and structure determine how it will respond to stress.

2. Can all materials experience stress?

Yes, all materials can experience stress to some degree. However, the amount and type of stress a material can withstand depend on its properties, such as strength, elasticity, and ductility.

3. How do material properties affect the amount of stress a material can handle?

The material's properties determine its ability to resist stress and deformations. For example, a material with high strength and stiffness will be able to withstand more stress before breaking compared to a weaker material.

4. Is stress dependent on the type of material?

Yes, stress is highly dependent on the type of material. Different materials have different properties, such as density, elasticity, and melting point, which affect how they respond to stress. For instance, metals tend to have higher strength and can handle more stress compared to plastics.

5. Can stress affect the material properties of a material?

Yes, stress can affect the material properties of a material. High levels of stress can cause permanent deformations, changes in the material's structure, and even failure. This is why understanding the relationship between stress and material properties is crucial in engineering and material design.

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