Is the Amplitude of Sound Waves Constant with Distance?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of sound wave amplitudes with distance, particularly whether the amplitude remains constant or decreases as sound waves propagate. Participants explore theoretical implications, mathematical representations, and the nature of different types of waves, including plane and spherical waves.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant quotes a book stating that the displacement amplitude of a sound wave is given by a specific equation, questioning whether this amplitude should be constant or inversely proportional to distance based on intensity equations.
  • Another participant clarifies that the provided equation describes a plane wave solution, which does not decrease with distance unless damped, and notes that a spherical wave would exhibit decreasing amplitude.
  • A follow-up question asks if the equation for a spherical wave would involve a variable amplitude, suggesting a potential form for the equation.
  • One participant suggests an exercise involving the wave equation and the Laplace operator to explore the radial part of the wave equation, although another participant expresses difficulty with this advanced concept.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of amplitude with distance, with some suggesting it remains constant for plane waves while others indicate that spherical waves would show a decrease in amplitude. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the equations presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about wave types and their mathematical representations, with some participants referencing specific equations without fully resolving how these relate to amplitude changes over distance.

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A quote from a book:
Fundamentals of Physics said:
A sound wave causes a longitudinal displacement s of a mass element in a medium as given by s=s_mcos(kx-\omega t) where s_m is the displacement amplitude (maximum displacement) from equilibrium, k=\frac{2\pi}{\lambda}, and \omega=2\pi f , \lambda and f being the wavelength and frequency, respectively, of the sound wave.
At first, I was under the impression that s_m was constant. But shouldn't s_m be inversely proportional to the distance?

The book never says this anywhere directly, but it seems to be implied by two other equations (for the intensity) given in the chapter:
$$I=\frac{P_{source}}{4\pi R^2}=\frac{1}{2}\rho v\omega ^2s_m^2$$
Wouldn't this mean that either the frequency or the amplitude decreases with distance? But the frequency can't change without a corresponding change in wavelength, so doesn't this mean the displacement-amplitude (and therefore also the pressure-amplitude) decreases with the distance?

I just want to make sure, because all the writing in the chapter seemed to imply to me that the amplitude was constant, yet these two equations for the intensity seem to say otherwise.
 
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The wave provided is a plane wave solution, which does not decrease with distance traveled unless damped. It only describes a wave generated at a point source far away from the source (much further than the wavelength and the distance over which you are considering the wave).

Edit: Of course, if you solve the wave equation for a spherical wave, you will end up with a decreasing amplitude.
 
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Thank you very much.
 
One more question; When you say that equation describes a planar wave, is this just because the amplitude is constant?

In other words, would the equation that describes a spherical wave be the same except with a variable amplitude?
(Something like \frac{c}{R}cos(kR-\omega t)?)
 
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Just as an exercise, you can do the following: Assume ##s(r,t) = f(r) \exp(i(kr - \omega t))## and insert into the wave equation (for r>0). The radial part of the Laplace operator is ##\partial_r^2 + (2/r) \partial_r##. Insert this into the wave equation and check that it solves it (again, for r > 0, you would need a source in r = 0 to keep it going).
 
Sorry, that exercise is beyond me; I know nothing of Laplace operators. Thanks anyway.
 

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