Is the Braking Force of a Truck Really 0.8?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the braking force of trucks, specifically whether a truck can exert a braking force of 0.8, and the implications of such forces on cargo during collisions. Participants explore concepts related to forces, whiplash, and the behavior of cargo during accidents, including both theoretical and practical considerations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether a truck's braking force can indeed be 0.8, with references to units of measurement and the context of forces.
  • There is a discussion about the potential for a pallet of bricks to move backwards after a frontal collision, with some participants expressing skepticism about this claim.
  • One participant suggests that during a frontal collision, the inertial forces would cause the bricks to accelerate forwards relative to the truck, challenging the idea that they would move backwards.
  • Another participant mentions the complexity of collisions and the possibility of pallets sliding forward during a crash, which could lead to a perception of movement backwards afterwards.
  • Concerns are raised about the understanding of whiplash, with some participants asserting that it is primarily associated with rear-end collisions, while others note that it can also occur in frontal collisions.
  • There are references to the role of headrests in preventing whiplash and questions about the logic behind seatbelt use in the context of frontal collisions.
  • One participant introduces the idea that elastic forces could cause a pallet to move backwards after a crash, but emphasizes that this is not a certainty for all scenarios.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of forces during collisions, the behavior of cargo, and the mechanics of whiplash. No consensus is reached regarding the claims about the braking force or the movement of pallets during crashes.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of collisions and the various factors that can influence the behavior of cargo, including elastic properties and the dynamics of the crash. There are also discussions about the definitions and units of force, which may affect interpretations of the braking force.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to truck drivers, safety instructors, and individuals studying physics or engineering, particularly in relation to forces and collisions in transportation contexts.

  • #31
256bits said:
Put the pallets on wheels, which they are not ( usually ) and the floor- pallet reduced friction would have interesting effects.
Shifting loads are a real embarrassment. Even a pot pf paint in the back of your car can give serious grief if it's not secured. Some of what's described in this thread is very frame dependent and a lot of statements should be tidied up before they can be taken seriously. People 'feel themselves thrown forward' and that colours a lot of descriptions - from teachers as well as the general public.

hmmm27 said:
I'd be curious as to what the greatest movement he's seen,
So would I. Elastic distortions would surely be a lot less than plastic, if there is any significant movement. The exception could be vertical 'bouncing' as suggested.
 
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sophiecentaur said:
Shifting loads are a real embarrassment. Even a pot pf paint in the back of your car can give serious grief if it's not secured. Some of what's described in this thread is very frame dependent and a lot of statements should be tidied up before they can be taken seriously.
Ah, well... my assumptions are of an impact with a bridge abutment at suburban speeds ; also a straight-bed (2-5 ton) truck (amended to include a tractor-trailer, after I reread the thread) ; carrying, a pallet of bricks about 4'cubed (which turns out to be wrong : a pallet of bricks is only 5 bricks high, massing about 1.25t).

Elastic distortions would surely be a lot less than plastic, if there is any significant movement. The exception could be vertical 'bouncing' as suggested.
True, but - even though the effect is much less with a squat pallet (ie: low CoM) - I think it would still be significant enough to count.
 
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hmmm27 said:
- I think it would still be significant enough to count.
What component of the chassis / body would distort elastically? Vehicles are designed to suppress flexing because that affects behaviour with instantaneous loads (as with the collision and bumps in the road) `In collisions, the requirement is to absorb the energy and not to store it and deliver it back into the situation. Freak conditions can induce vertical motion (one vehicle ending up on top of another) but even that is dealt with by the barriers hung down from the tail of trucks.

I think we could be chasing the real meaning of a chance remark of a teacher who may have loads of experience but not necessarily a depth of physics. We'd really need to go back to the beginning and examine the source of the information in greater depth. Every explanation that's be suggested has relied on a significant amount of 'interpretation' of the presented description. That's not usually a reliable way to getting a meaningful answer.

That's not to say that the chat in this thread has not been fun. (Double negative - sorry.)
 
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