Is the electromagnetic propagation time asymmetrical?

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The discussion centers on the asymmetry of electromagnetic wave propagation in relation to time. It asserts that while the propagation direction is determined by the cross product of the electric (E) and magnetic (H) fields, the phenomenon itself is time symmetric. Under time reversal, the magnetic field changes sign, altering the direction of energy flow, yet the overall propagation remains consistent. The apparent arrow of time can be simulated through time-symmetric laws, with the energy flow direction still defined by E x H. The conversation highlights the implications of Maxwell's equations and their role in understanding these dynamics.
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For a point in space if we have the values of E and H fields at a certain instant of time, we can tell the direction of the propagation of these values, which is the direction of the cross product vector E x H. Is this phenomenon time asymmetric or not ?
 
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The phenomenon is time symmetric. Don't forget that H changes sign under time reversal.
 
If we change the arrow of time the propagation direction will be given by H x E, but basically the waves will propagate the same way. Is that what you meant? A world where S=H x E would be indistinguishable our world.
However, this doesn't mean that if we know the values of the fields at an instant, we can't predict the future propagation of the wave.

It seems that the apparent arrow of time at a macroscopic level can be simulated using time symmetrical laws.
 
calinvass said:
If we change the arrow of time the propagation direction will be given by H x E, but basically the waves will propagate the same way. Is that what you meant?
No, under time reversal the direction of energy flow is still given by E x H, but H changes sign so the direction of energy propagation changes sign.
 
Why doesn't E change direction ?
 
Charge does not change sign under time reversal, but current does. Then Maxwell's equations dictate the sign of the fields from that (consider Coulomb's law and the Biot Savart law respectively to see it in the simplest cases)
 
Alright, Thanks.
That reminds me of Feynman diagrams.
 
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