Is the given quantity an integer?

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The discussion revolves around the quantity $y=(2\cdot\sqrt[3]{2}+1-\sqrt{12\cdot\sqrt[3]{2}-15})^3$ and whether it is exactly an integer. Participants are asked to justify their answers regarding the integer status of this expression.

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  • Some participants note that calculators indicate $y$ is approximately an integer, prompting questions about its exact integer status.
  • Others express uncertainty about the implications of the approximation and whether it can be relied upon to conclude that $y$ is an integer.
  • A later reply suggests that further justification is needed to determine the exact nature of $y$.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on whether $y$ is exactly an integer, with multiple viewpoints and uncertainties expressed.

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The discussion lacks specific mathematical justifications or proofs regarding the integer status of $y$, and participants have not resolved the underlying assumptions or calculations involved.

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Your calculator tells you that the quantity $y=(2\cdot\sqrt[3]{2}+1-\sqrt{12\cdot\sqrt[3]{2}-15})^3$ is approximately an integer. Is $y$ exactly an integer? Justify your answer.
 
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anemone said:
Your calculator tells you that the quantity $y=(2\cdot\sqrt[3]{2}+1-\sqrt{12\cdot\sqrt[3]{2}-15})^3$ is approximately an integer. Is $y$ exactly an integer? Justify your answer.

yes it is 32

as

Because under the square root we have $\sqrt[3]{2}$
It suggests that the square root is
a + b $\sqrt[3]{2}$ + c $\sqrt[3]{4}$
And taking square we get
$a^2+ b^2\sqrt[3]{4} +2c^2\sqrt[3]{4} +2ab\sqrt[3]{2} + 4bc + 2ac\sqrt[3]{4} = 12\sqrt[3]{2}−15$
Equating the parts that is rational , $\sqrt[3]{2}$ and $\sqrt[3]{4}$
We get
$a^2 + 4bc = - 15$
$b^2 + 2ac = 0$
$c^2 + ab = 6$
Solving these ( I do not know how to solve but guess work a = 1, b= 2, c =- 2
so square root = 1 + 2 $\sqrt[3]{2}$ - 2 $\sqrt[3]{4}$

so given expression is 2 $\sqrt[3]{4}$ which is cubed to give 32
 
anemone said:
Your calculator tells you that the quantity $y=(2\cdot\sqrt[3]{2}+1-\sqrt{12\cdot\sqrt[3]{2}-15})^3$ is approximately an integer. Is $y$ exactly an integer? Justify your answer.
let $\sqrt[3]{2}=x$
we have :$x^3=2---(1)$
$y= (2x+1-\sqrt {12x-15})^3$
if y is an integer then we may suggest :
$\sqrt {12x-5}=2x+1-ax^2---(2)$
(here a is an integer)
square both sides of (2) and use of (1) we get a=2
$\therefore y=(2x^2)^3=32$
 
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Thank you all for participating and sorry for the late reply. :o

Suggested solution by other:

According to the calculator, $y$ is approximately equal to 32, and so we would like to decide whether or not the quantity $x=2\cdot\sqrt[3]{2}+1-\sqrt{12\cdot\sqrt[3]{2}-15}$ is exactly equal to $\sqrt[3]{32}$.

For notational simplicity, let $a=\sqrt[3]{2}$ so that $x=2a+1-\sqrt{12a-15}$.

Also, since $32=2^5$, we see that $\sqrt[3]{32}=2a^2$ and hence we need to determine whether or not the equation $\sqrt{12a-15}=2a+1-2a^2$ is valid.

Using calculator, we see that the right side of this equation exceeds 0.3, and so it is definitely positive. We can thus check the equation by showing that the squares of both sides are equal. If we square the right side and combine like terms, we get $4a^4-8a^3+4a+1$. But since $a^3=2$, we see that $a^4=2a$ and thus $4a^4-8a^3+4a+1=12a-15$. Consequently, our equation is true, and $y$ is indeed exactly equal to 32.
 
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