Is the Gravitational Force Between Two People Cancelled Out?

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The discussion revolves around the gravitational force between two people standing close to each other and whether this force is effectively cancelled out, preventing them from moving towards one another. Participants explore the implications of Newton's laws of motion and gravitation, addressing both theoretical and conceptual aspects of the scenario.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that the gravitational force between two people does not cancel out, as they are still attracting each other, but is too small to overcome other forces like friction and air resistance.
  • Others assert that according to Newton's third law, the forces between the two individuals act on different bodies and do not directly cancel each other, suggesting that if no other forces were present, they would accelerate towards each other.
  • One participant mentions that the combined center of mass of the two individuals does not accelerate due to equal and opposite forces, but the individual masses would still accelerate towards each other.
  • Another participant suggests that the ground and friction are what prevent the individuals from moving towards each other, indicating that these forces compensate for the gravitational attraction.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the teacher's explanation, suggesting it reflects a misunderstanding of the principles involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the interpretation of the gravitational forces and their effects. While some agree that the forces do not cancel in the way described by the teacher, there is no consensus on the precise mechanics of why the individuals do not move towards each other.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion is limited by the assumptions regarding the presence of other forces, such as friction and air resistance, and the specific conditions under which the gravitational attraction would be observed.

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Ok so my physics teacher was telling us about the gravitation and he gave us an example of two people standing and he said that these two people are attracting each other. Then he calculated the gravitation force between them. It was a clear thing for me until this.
but then he said that they both don't move from their places because they are pulling each other with an equal force and these both forces cancel the effect of each other. I am saying that they don't cancel out as they are attracting each other. But this force between them is so small that they are overcome by other forces like force of friction,air resistance etc. That's why they don't move from their places. because the same thing happens when we jump from a building and we are attracted towards the centre of the earth.
Can anybody tell me who is right and who is wrong?
And if i am right, do give some examples also.
Thanks!
 
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achoo said:
but then he said that they both don't move from their places because they are pulling each other with an equal force and these both forces cancel the effect of each other.
You were right and he was wrong. Very wrong. (Actually, a bit hard to believe he really said that.)

When things exert forces on each other (per Newton's 3rd law) those force act on different bodies and never directly 'cancel' each other. The acceleration of an object is determined by all the force on the object and Newton's 2nd law. Were the two people in space, where no other forces (such as friction) acted, then they would accelerate towards each other.
 
achoo said:
Ok so my physics teacher was telling us about the gravitation and he gave us an example of two people standing and he said that these two people are attracting each other. Then he calculated the gravitation force between them. It was a clear thing for me until this.
but then he said that they both don't move from their places because they are pulling each other with an equal force and these both forces cancel the effect of each other. I am saying that they don't cancel out as they are attracting each other. But this force between them is so small that they are overcome by other forces like force of friction,air resistance etc. That's why they don't move from their places. because the same thing happens when we jump from a building and we are attracted towards the centre of the earth.
Can anybody tell me who is right and who is wrong?
And if i am right, do give some examples also.
Thanks!

You are smarter and more sensible than your teacher, it seems.

Zz.
 
were the 2 people touching each other?
 
Honestly it does sound like something a teacher would say. I've had techers spew some crazily wrong information.
 
achoo, welcome to Physics Forums!
Yes, you are right, those two folks do not move towards one another because the gravitational attraction between them is so tiny.

Newton's law of universal gravitation states that every point mass in the universe attracts every other point mass with a force that is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.

Just memorize this and "stick to your guns" by relying on the Laws. And Good Luck to you!
 
The equal & opposite forces just means that the combined center of mass of the two masses doesn't accelerate. The individual masses will of course accelerate towards each other.
 
achoo said:
Ok so my physics teacher was telling us about the gravitation and he gave us an example of two people standing and he said that these two people are attracting each other. Then he calculated the gravitation force between them. It was a clear thing for me until this.
but then he said that they both don't move from their places because they are pulling each other with an equal force and these both forces cancel the effect of each other. I am saying that they don't cancel out as they are attracting each other. But this force between them is so small that they are overcome by other forces like force of friction,air resistance etc. That's why they don't move from their places. because the same thing happens when we jump from a building and we are attracted towards the centre of the earth.
Can anybody tell me who is right and who is wrong?
And if i am right, do give some examples also.
Thanks!

Welcome! :smile:
Perhaps he forgot to tell, but more likely you did not recall, that people who are standing are withheld from accelerating towards each other by the ground on which they stand. That force (indeed from friction) is equal to the force with which the person is attracted, so that that person keeps standing at the same place. Those forces "cancel" out in the sense that the person does not accelerate. Perhaps it's better to say that they compensate each other.

Note that air resistance only can slow down the motion, it cannot stop it - as your example also illustrates!
 

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