Is the Mass of Light Constant?

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The discussion centers around the concept of the mass of light, specifically questioning whether light has a constant mass. Participants explore the nature of photons, their energy, and the implications of relativity on mass and momentum.

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  • Some participants question the clarity of the term "mass of light" and request more specific definitions.
  • It is noted that photons have no rest mass but possess momentum and energy, with one participant referencing the relationship between energy and mass as described by relativity.
  • One participant argues that while photons do not have rest mass, they can be associated with relativistic mass, suggesting that energy is equivalent to mass.
  • Another participant challenges the notion of photons having relativistic mass, stating that the definition of relativistic mass relies on rest mass, which is zero for photons.
  • There is a suggestion to pause further discussion until the original poster clarifies their question.

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Participants express differing views on the concept of mass as it relates to light and photons. There is no consensus on the definitions or implications of mass in this context, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Some limitations include the ambiguity in the original question regarding "mass of light," and the varying interpretations of mass (rest mass vs. relativistic mass) as it pertains to photons.

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jeevesh said:
is mass of light constant

As asked, this question doesn't make much sense - it's not at all clear what you mean by "the mass of light". Can you try to be more specific?

But before you do, try searching this forum and google for "light mass" and see what you find.
 
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To make it simpler, light made up of little particle called photons, the photons have energy E = hc/λ, according to special relativity E = Mc^2, although they don't have rest mass, they have relativistic mass (another term of energy), if you want to know how einstein got in this he assumed that an object radiated some light, so he outputted some energy E and by conservation of energy he has lost some energy E and after some calculation he discovered that the radiated energy E is equal to the change of mass times c squared, E = Mc^2 = hc/λ so Mc = h/λ, but Mc looks like momentum that's when einstein suggested that p = h/λ, we write p but not Mc because photons carry no mass but energy and energy is equivalent to mass,
 
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Noctisdark said:
To make it simpler, light made up of little particle called photons, the photons have energy E = hc/λ, according to special relativity E = Mc^2, although they don't have rest mass, they have relativistic mass (another term of energy), if you want to know how einstein got in this he assumed that an object radiated some light, so he outputted some energy E and by conservation of energy he has lost some energy E and after some calculation he discovered that the radiated energy E is equal to the change of mass times c squared, E = Mc^2 = hc/λ so Mc = h/λ, but Mc looks like momentum that's when einstein suggested that p = h/λ, we write p but not Mc because photons carry no mass but energy and energy is equivalent to mass,

Much of what you say in this post is wrong. The relationship between light, which is electromagnetic radiation governed by Maxwell's equations, and photons is much more complicated than you suggest - you cannot think of light as a stream of little particles. Nor do photons have relativistic mass, as the definition of relativistic mass (check out https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/what-is-relativistic-mass-and-why-it-is-not-used-much.796527/ ) is defined as ##\gamma{m}_0## where ##m_0## is the rest mass - and of course the rest mass of a photon is zero, so the relativistic mass also comes out to be zero.
 
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Several posts back we asked the original poster to clarify his question. I suggest that we hold further discussion until he does that.

("suggest that we hold further discussion until..." is mentor-speak for "don't post again unless you're very sure that you have something new, important, and correct to say").
 

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