Is the Product of Two Integers Greater Than 10^2009? Let's Prove It!

In summary, the conversation is about proving that $3^{4^5}+4^{5^6}$ is the product of two integers, each at least $10^{2009}$. However, it is pointed out that the exponents are being misread and that it should be read from top to bottom instead of bottom to top. It is also mentioned that the correct solution is $(3^4)^5=8^4$ and $(4^5)^6=1024^6$. Finally, there is appreciation for Albert's participation and a thank you for helping to fix the mistake.
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Prove that $\large 3^{4^5}+4^{5^6}$ is the product of two integers, each at least $\large 10^{2009}$.
 
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anemone said:
Prove that $\large 3^{4^5}+4^{5^6}$ is the product of two integers, each at least $\large 10^{2009}$.
$\large 3^{4^5}=3^{1024}$
$\large 4^{5^6}=4^{15625}=(3+1)^{1024}\times 4^{14601}$
using binomial expansion the first part is done
 
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Hello, Albert!

Prove that $3^{4^5}+4^{5^6}$ is the product of two integers,
each at least $\large 10^{2009}$.

You are misreading the exponents.

In an exponential "stack",
. . we read from the top down.

. . [tex]3^{4^5} \;=\;3^{1024}[/tex]

. . [tex]4^{5^6} \;=\;4^{15,625}[/tex]However: .[tex](3^4)^5 \;=\;8^4\:\text{ and }\: (4^5)^6 \:=\:1024^6[/tex]
 
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thanks soroban , in a haste I made a mistake in misreading the exponent :eek:

now the solution is as follows :

$(3^{512})^2+(2^{15625})^2---(1)$
let $a=3^{512}, b=2^{15625}$
(1) becomes $(a+b)^2 -2ab=(a+b)^2 -[(3^{256}\times 2^{7813})]^2=(x+y)(x-y)$
$here \,\, x=a+b, y=(3^{256}\times 2^{7813}) $
the rest is easy:
we only have to compare x-y and $10^{2009}$(compare digit numbers of both values)
I only count them roughly
$15625\times log 2>15625\times 0.3>4687>2009$
$256\times log 3+7813\times log 2>102+2343$
4687-102-2343=2242>2009
$\therefore x-y >10^{2009}$
and the proof is finished
 
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soroban said:
Hello, Albert!


You are misreading the exponents.

In an exponential "stack",
. . we read from the top down.

. . [tex]3^{4^5} \;=\;3^{1024}[/tex]

. . [tex]4^{5^6} \;=\;4^{15,625}[/tex]However: .[tex](3^4)^5 \;=\;8^4\:\text{ and }\: (4^5)^6 \:=\:1024^6[/tex]

Hi soroban,

Thanks for helping me to let Albert know that a misreading has occurred and that he has the chance to fix things right.:)

Albert said:
thanks soroban , in a haste I made a mistake in misreading the exponent :eek:

now the solution is as follows :

$(3^{512})^2+(2^{15625})^2---(1)$
let $a=3^{512}, b=2^{15625}$
(1) becomes $(a+b)^2 -2ab=(a+b)^2 -[(3^{256}\times 2^{7813})]^2=(x+y)(x-y)$
$here \,\, x=a+b, y=(3^{256}\times 2^{7813}) $
the rest is easy:
we only have to compare x-y and $10^{2009}$(compare digit numbers of both values)
I only count them roughly
$15625\times log 2>15625\times 0.3>4687>2009$
$256\times log 3+7813\times log 2>102+2343$
4687-102-2343=2242>2009
$\therefore x-y >10^{2009}$
and the proof is finished

Thanks Albert for participating and your solution as well!

Suggested solution by Pedro and Alex:

Let $m=3^{256}$ and $k=4^{3906}$. Then

$\begin{align*}\large 3^{4^5}+4^{5^6}&=m^4+4k^4\\&=(m^4+4m^2k^2+4k^4)-4m^2k^2\\&=(m^2+2mk+2k^2)(m^2-2mk+2k^2)\end{align*}$

Notice that $m^2+2mk+2k^2>m^2-2mk+2k^2>2k^2-2mk=2k(k-m)>k>2^{7800}>(10^3)^{780}>10^{2009}$.

The result is then follows.
 

1. What is a product of two integers?

A product of two integers is the result of multiplying two whole numbers together. For example, the product of 3 and 4 would be 12.

2. How do you find the product of two integers?

To find the product of two integers, simply multiply the two numbers together. If the integers are both positive, the product will also be positive. If one integer is negative, the product will be negative. If both integers are negative, the product will be positive.

3. Can the product of two integers be a fraction or decimal?

No, the product of two integers will always be a whole number. If the result of multiplying two integers is a fraction or decimal, it is not considered a product of two integers.

4. What is the difference between the product of two integers and the sum of two integers?

The product of two integers is the result of multiplication, while the sum of two integers is the result of addition. For example, the product of 3 and 4 is 12, while the sum of 3 and 4 is 7.

5. Can the product of two integers be negative?

Yes, the product of two integers can be negative if one or both of the integers is negative. For example, the product of -3 and 4 is -12.

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