Is the relationship between water pressure and gravity a direct correlation?

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The discussion centers around the relationship between water pressure and gravity, particularly how changes in local gravity might affect water pressure and the behavior of submersibles. Participants explore theoretical scenarios involving different gravitational environments and their implications for water pressure, resistance, and fluid dynamics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how direct the relationship is between water pressure and the weight of water influenced by local gravity.
  • Another participant asserts a direct, linear relationship, suggesting that if gravity is reduced to one fourth, the crush depth of a submersible would increase proportionally to four times its original depth.
  • Concerns are raised about the relevance of gravitational force changes with distance and the compressibility of water in different environments.
  • Participants discuss the role of surface tension, friction, viscosity, and compressibility in determining water pressure and resistance to motion.
  • One participant expresses curiosity about how irregular container shapes might affect pressure as a function of depth.
  • A later reply questions whether lower gravity would lead to less water resistance due to the slight compressibility of water.
  • Another participant argues that while water is essentially incompressible, the slight compressibility does affect density and, consequently, drag on submersibles, although this effect is considered negligible.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the extent to which gravity influences water pressure and resistance. While some assert a direct correlation, others raise caveats and question the implications of compressibility and fluid dynamics in varying gravitational conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the impact of these factors.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that gravitational force changes with distance and that water's slight compressibility may have implications for density and drag, but they do not reach a consensus on the significance of these factors in different gravitational environments.

Lelan Thara
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I hope this is the best sub-forum for this question:

How direct is the relationship between water pressure and the weight of the water, as determined by the local gravity where the water is?

In other words - let's say we have a submersible with a crush depth of 1000 feet on Earth. If we moved that submersible to a watery planet with one fourth of Earth's gravity - would the crush depth become 4000 feet?

To phrase it another way - if I had a body of water large enough to swim in in a microgravity environment - would the water offer any resistance as I swam through it?

Do issues of surface tension, friction, viscosity and so so on play a significant role in determining water pressure? Or is it a simple direct correlation between water pressure and gravity - half the gravity means half the water pressure for equal volumes of water?

Thanks very much.
 
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Lelan Thara said:
How direct is the relationship between water pressure and the weight of the water, as determined by the local gravity where the water is?
Direct, linear.
In other words - let's say we have a submersible with a crush depth of 1000 feet on Earth. If we moved that submersible to a watery planet with one fourth of Earth's gravity - would the crush depth become 4000 feet?
Yep. Since the pressure is simply the weight of the column of water above the submersible, if the water weighs one fourth as much, it can go four times as deep. Two caveats:

1. Gravitational force changes with distance from the center of a body.
2. Water is not completely incompressible.

On earth, anyway, these two considerations are essentially irrelevant, but they may not be on your hypothetical other planet.
To phrase it another way - if I had a body of water large enough to swim in in a microgravity environment - would the water offer any resistance as I swam through it?

Do issues of surface tension, friction, viscosity and so so on play a significant role in determining water pressure?
Yes! (to both questions) Resistance to motion in water has nothing to do with the pressure of the water (same caveats as above, though). The resistance (and this goes for air too) is based on the density and viscosity of the fluid, and sometimes compressibility.

Surface tension, itself will only affect motion on the surface.

We may move this thread...
 
i always wondered how pressure as a function of depth was affected by irregular containers. i keep thinking of sensible ways to calculate it that give absurd results in certain configurations
 
Thank you, Russ. One further question about your statement below:


russ_watters said:
Yes! (to both questions) Resistance to motion in water has nothing to do with the pressure of the water (same caveats as above, though). The resistance (and this goes for air too) is based on the density and viscosity of the fluid, and sometimes compressibility.

Surface tension, itself will only affect motion on the surface.

Since water is very slightly compressible - and that compression, in a natural deep water environment, would come from the weight of the water - would I expect somewhat less water resistance in a lower gravity environment?
 
Water is essentially incompressible, meaning that the difference in figures like "water resistance," by which I assume you mean drag, are only affected in a negligible way. You are correct, though, that the slight compressibility means that deep water is denser than shallow water, even with all other factors like temperature held constant. Denser water means, of course, more drag on a submersible vehicle. Again though, this effect is so tiny that it can be ignored, even on other planets.

- Warren
 

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