Is the Set S Defined by F(x,y)=0 a Smooth Curve?

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The discussion centers on whether the set S defined by the equation F(x,y)=0, where F(x,y)=xy(x+y-1), represents a smooth curve. Participants explore the mathematical implications of the equations derived from the gradient of F and the nature of the solutions to the resulting system of equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in solving the non-linear system derived from the equations 2xy + y² - y = 0 and x² + 2xy - x = 0.
  • Another participant suggests manipulating the equations to find a relationship between x and y, leading to the equation (y - 1/2)² = (x - 1/2)².
  • A subsequent reply points out that while the equation derived provides potential solutions, specific values like (2, 2) do not satisfy the original equations, raising questions about the validity of the solutions.
  • Further exploration leads to a proposed relationship y = 1/2 + |x - 1/2|, which yields two cases for y in terms of x, suggesting x = 0 or 1 as solutions.
  • Another participant concludes that S consists of three lines (x=0, y=0, x+y=1) and argues that this configuration is not smooth due to the presence of sharp angles at the intersection points.
  • They also identify specific solution points, including (0, 0), (1, 0), (0, 1), and (1/3, 1/3), based on factoring the expressions involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the set S, with some proposing it may be smooth under certain conditions, while others argue it is not smooth due to the presence of sharp angles at intersections. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the smoothness of S.

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Participants note the complexity of the non-linear system and the implications of the derived equations, but there are no explicit resolutions to the assumptions or definitions involved in determining smoothness.

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Given that F(x,y)=xy(x+y-1). Determine whether S={(x,y) | F(x,y)=0} is a smooth curve.

Now, F(x,y)=x2y + xy2 - xy
Let gradient F = (2xy + y2 - y, x2 + 2xy - x) = 0
So 2xy + y2 - y = 0 and x2 + 2xy - x = 0
In order to determine where S is smooth, I have to solve these 2 equations for x and y, and I am stuck right here. How can I solve this non-linear system?

Thanks if someone could help me!
 
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Well, your two equations both have 2xy in them, so you might start by solving for that:

2xy = -y^2 + y
2xy = -x^2 + x

So, y^2 - y = x^2 -x

Writing y^2 - y -( x^2 - x) = 0 and completing the square, we get (y - 1/2)^2 -(x -1/2)^2 = 0.

Hence, you get (y - 1/2)^2 = (x-1/2)^2; any pair of points (x,y) satisfying this equation will satisfy your system of equations. (Of course, double check everything to make sure I'm right, etc.)
 
x=y=2 satisfies your last equation,
but it doesn't satisfy 2xy + y2 - y = 0 and x2 + 2xy - x = 0

How come?
 
Hm. I guess I hadn't fully thought this through. I suspect the trick is that if 2xy + y^2 - y = 0 and 2xy + x^2 - x = 0, then the final equations I wrote must be true. The converse isn't true. What the last equations tell you, I think, is that any solution of your first equation is also constrained by the last equations I wrote down. So, you should be able to write

[tex]y = \frac{1}{2} + \left|x - \frac{1}{2} \right|[/tex]

This gives two solutions for y in terms of x. Either y = x, in which case you have to solve

[tex]2x^2 - x^2 + x = x^2 -x = 0[/tex] and you see you need x = 0 or 1,

or y = 1 - x, in which case you have to solve

[tex]2x(1-x) -x^2 + x = -3x^2 + 3x = 0[/tex], in which case again x = 0 or 1.

As you can see, x = 0, 1 satisfy your original system.

So, that might be the whole story, but again, check to make sure I didn't miss anything.
 
It looks like [tex]S[/tex] is a union of three lines: [tex]x=0, y=0, x + y = 1[/tex]. That's definitely not smooth; you have sharp angles at the intersection points of the lines.

The solution to the other system is [tex](0, 0), (1, 0), (0, 1), (1/3, 1/3)[/tex].

I found all of that just by factoring the appropriate expressions and noting that at least one of the factors must be 0 in order for the product to be 0.
 

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