Is the Speed of Sound Affected by Gravity?

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The discussion explores the effects of gravity on sound waves, comparing them to the effects on light waves. It examines theoretical frameworks, such as general relativity and classical mechanics, and considers practical implications in the context of Earth's gravity.

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  • Some participants propose that sound waves are affected by gravity through the gravitational force acting on the molecules that create sound, as described by F=mg.
  • Others argue that gravity affects sound waves in two ways: through the force on the molecules and through the curvature of space-time, similar to light waves.
  • A later reply questions the duality of effects, suggesting that gravity affects sound waves primarily through the gravitational force, while the space-time curvature effect is less significant for sound compared to light.
  • One participant notes that in the Earth's atmosphere, both sound and light waves are bent towards the center of the Earth due to atmospheric density, but the overall effect of gravity on sound waves is minimal.
  • Another participant emphasizes that sound waves are influenced by the stress field in the medium, indicating that gravity can produce significant stresses, but the relationship between stress and gravitational fields is complex.

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Participants express differing views on the extent and nature of gravity's effect on sound waves, with no consensus reached regarding whether gravity affects sound in the same way as light or if the effects are fundamentally different.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the conditions under which gravity affects sound waves remain unresolved, particularly regarding the influence of gravitational fields of varying strengths and the specific medium through which sound travels.

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Sorry if this is in the wrong thread (my first time posting),

I know that light is affected by gravity (gravitational lensing), but is sound affected in the same way?
 
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The effect of gravity on a light wave is explained by general relativity, because gravity warps space-time.
Before general relativity, we had the equation F=mg, but of course light waves don't have mass, so this is why relativity was an important shift in the understanding of gravity.
Sound waves are made by the movement of molecules, these molecules have mass. so gravity effects sound waves in 2 ways: 1) F=mg causes the molecules to be pulled towards the source of the gravitational field. 2) the curvature of space-time has a similar effect on sound waves as it does on light waves.
For gravity sources with comparatively low density (such as the earth), the effect of gravity on the curvature of space-time is much smaller than the effect due to F=mg.
So, for sound waves, F=mg is the main effect of gravity on the molecules, but for light waves, the curvature of space-time is the effect of gravity.
Therefore sound and light waves are affected by gravity in different ways.
 
Actually, I think I am wrong. Gravity effects sound waves in only one way. And that can either be modeled by the theory that gravity warps space-time or the theory that gravity is a force. for sound, these two theories should give the same result.
But for light, the theory that says gravity is a force is incorrect. The theory saying that gravity warps space-time is correct for light waves.
therefore general relativity is correct for both types of waves, but F=mg only works for sound waves, (when the gravitational field isn't too large)
 
If we're talking about light and sound waves in the Earth's atmosphere, they are both bent towards the centre of the Earth because the density of the atmosphere is greater closer to the earth.
The effect of gravity on light and sound waves would be much less, but I think it would have the same effect
 
From a practical standpoint, where we care only about Earth's gravity...no. The molecules will experience the same gravitational force as they would when there is no sound wave at all.

The exception is a sound wave with an extremely long wavelength that could move particles considerably closer or further from a large mass.
 
Sound waves are vibrations in some medium (solid or fluid) and they are affected by the stress field in the medium. (Example - the speed of sound for transverse vibrations of a stretched string depends on the tension in the string, and therefore the vibration frequency depends on the tension).

So sound waves are affected by gravity is so far as gravity produce stresses.

Cleatly gravity CAN produce significant stresses in bodies, but there is not usually a simple relation between the stress field and the gravitational field that causes it. (Example - the tension in the string in the previous example could be produced by hanging a mass from one end of it).
 

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