Is there a difference between a car fuel pump and a water pump

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the differences and similarities between car fuel pumps and water pumps, specifically focusing on diaphragm pumps and their operational mechanisms. Participants explore the functioning of these pumps, including the role of diaphragms and check valves, as well as the types of pumps used in automotive applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the operation of diaphragm pumps, questioning whether raising the diaphragm opens the inlet and closes the outlet or vice versa.
  • Another participant suggests that the orientation of the diaphragm pump could clarify the confusion, proposing that flipping the pump could yield the same operational behavior.
  • A separate inquiry is made about the mechanics of a check valve, specifically why less force is required to move the piston down if the check valve is jammed and remains closed.
  • One participant explains that automotive fuel pumps are generally positive displacement pumps, which can include gear, piston, or diaphragm types, while automotive water pumps are predominantly centrifugal pumps driven by the engine.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the operational mechanics of diaphragm pumps, indicating a lack of consensus. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of how the diaphragm affects valve operation and the implications of pump orientation.

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Participants reference various sources that may contain conflicting information, highlighting the potential for misinterpretation based on pump design and orientation. The discussion also touches on the mechanical principles involved, which may not be fully explored or agreed upon.

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I am going crazy!

These websites appear to contradict one another...

The lowering of the diaphragm makes the inlet valve of the fuel pump open. With this valve open, fuel is drawn from the gas tank and into the pump. At the same time, the lowering of the diaphragm closes an outlet valve.

Read more: How Car Fuel Pumps Work | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how-does_5004513_how-car-fuel-pumps-work.html#ixzz1rwSrcgdV



A vacuum is created inside the pump casing each time the diaphragm is raised (see figure below). This opens the inlet valve and seals the discharge valve allowing water and air to enter the pump. When the diaphragm is lowered the resulting pressure seals the inlet and opens the outlet valve purging the pump housing of water and air..

http://www.pumps-in-stock.com/diaphragm_pump_designs.html

So which way round is it? When the diaphragm is raised does this open the inlet and close the outlet or the reverse or do these pumps work differently?
 
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Would you consider the orientation of the diaphram pump to be the reason for your confusion - do a flip of 180 degrees of one pump described and it acts exactly just as the other. What would the text say if the diaphram pump was operated in a 'sideways' orientation?
 
Thanks. The other question is if the check valve jams and stays closed why is it less force will be required to move the piston down?
 
Automotive fuel pumps are typically of the positive displacement pump family type. The PD pump design type is often typically a gear pump (for diesel app's) a piston pump or a diaphragm pump type for gasoline (petrol). These pumps are often powered by a DC motor, an induction coil or directly connected to the engine.
Automotive engine water coolant pumps, almost universally are of the centrifugal pump design type.
These pumps are typically driven by a belt drive off the engine or less often gear driven by directly being coupled to the engine.
 

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