Is there a portable CO2 generation system for off-grid use?

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The discussion centers around the search for a portable CO2 generation system suitable for off-grid use, specifically one that can produce between 100-150 CFM continuously. Participants explore various methods of CO2 generation, potential applications, and the feasibility of different power sources.

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  • One participant requests information on a portable CO2 generation system for off-grid use powered by biofuel or electricity.
  • Another participant questions the intended use of the CO2, suggesting that researching CO2 production techniques might yield useful byproducts.
  • A participant clarifies their need for 100 CFM of CO2 for an algae bioreactor, emphasizing the importance of sustainability due to remote location challenges.
  • There is a discussion about the difference between producing 100 cubic feet per minute versus per hour, with calculations provided regarding the mass of CO2 and energy requirements.
  • Some participants propose using modified car or diesel engines to generate CO2 while also producing electricity, noting the potential for additional gases like nitrogen.
  • One participant shares their experience with algae, suggesting that a significant portion of algae-derived fuel is needed to run generators, and discusses the potential for recovering nutrients from exhaust gases.
  • Another participant notes that CO2 is only needed during daylight hours when algae are photosynthetically active, raising questions about the necessity of continuous CO2 production.
  • Concerns are raised about the efficiency of using artificial lighting for algae growth, questioning the energy balance of such an approach.
  • Participants mention traditional suppliers of CO2 and suggest contacting them for potential solutions.
  • There is a query about the purpose of the project, whether it is for profit or research, and a request for clarification on the acceptability of using diesel engines for CO2 generation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the methods and feasibility of CO2 generation, with no consensus reached on the best approach. Some agree on the need for continuous CO2 for the bioreactor, while others question the efficiency and practicality of certain methods proposed.

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Participants discuss various assumptions regarding energy requirements, the efficiency of CO2 production methods, and the implications of using different power sources. The discussion reflects a range of technical considerations and potential limitations in the proposed solutions.

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Does anyone know of a portable CO2 generation system capable of producing between 100-150 CFM 24/7/365? This system will be used off grid, and needs to be powered by either biofuel or electricity.

Thank you.

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Gunny said:
Does anyone know of a portable CO2 generation system capable of producing between 100-150 CFM 24/7/365? This system will be used off grid, and needs to be powered by either biofuel or electricity.

Thank you.

What'cha going to use the CO2 for? :smile:

I Googled making CO2 and got lots of good hits. Have you tried that yet? Maybe you can find a technique that gives you other byproducts that you can use as well.
 
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What'cha going to use the CO2 for? :smile:

I Googled making CO2 and got lots of good hits. Have you tried that yet? Maybe you can find a technique that gives you other byproducts that you can use as well.

Yes, several of my staff have scoured the web for sustainable CO2 generation options. Our application is unique requiring 100CF CO2 per hour 24/7/365 to supply our algae bioreactor. The remote off grid geographical locations make it exorbitantly expensive to resupply scheduled products or sub components. Also unknown events such as a hurricane, typhoon, or war demand that we are 100% sustainable. Thank you kindly for your suggestion.
 
100 cubic feet per minute (post 1) or per hour (post 3)? That is a massive difference.
At 1.6 kg/m^3, those 100 cubic feet have a mass of 4.4 kg, which requires burning about 1.6 kg of hydrocarbons. Assuming this is per hour, a modified car engine should be able to handle that, and produce useful mechanical energy at the same time. A car is not portable in the classical sense, but it can port itself. It will produce some other gases as well and you still have ~80% nitrogen, of course. Are other gases an issue?
 
My first thought was about burning charcoal, but mfb's idea seems to be even better, as you can use the engine to produce electricity and make your installation independent.
 
I played with algae for a couple of years and concluded the same. At a minimum, about 40-50% of an algae-derived fuel is needed to run the generators for the farm [or bioreactors]. And the exhaust from that provides a ready supply of not only CO2, but by using a diesel engine, nitrogen, which represents a significant savings in the cost of production. In fact it might be possible to modify a diesel engine to provide 100% of the required nitrogen [beginning as NOx and then reacting it with water]. In principle it seemed that you should be able to recover the phosphorous and potassium as well. But we never addressed that possibility directly.

Also, my working hypothesis was that the diesel engine acts as an air purifier [due to the high temps and pressures], which provides significant cost savings, as opposed to HEPA filters and the energy required to run an air supply system. Just the energy cost of the aeration system can be a killer! In a typical engine, you have about 3 psi to work with by removing the muffler, which is more than enough for the aeration.
 
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Something else that occurred to me. You don't need CO2 24/7. You only need the CO2 while the algae is photosynthetically active - during the daylight hours.
 
Our Bio reactor runs 24/7/365 requiring 100 CFM
 
You are using artificial lighting? If so, then to what advantage given the low conversion efficiency? You will only produce a fraction of the energy that it took to grow the algae.
 
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Our lighting specifically focused on stages of algal development optimizes wave length productivity while reducing heat signature throughout the growth cycle optimizing ATP1 & ATP2 and a 70% reduction in energy requirement.
 
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Gunny said:
Our lighting specifically focused on stages of algal development optimizes wave length productivity while reducing heat signature throughout the growth cycle optimizing ATP1 & ATP2 and a 70% reduction in energy requirement.

Are you trying to be profitable or is this purely for research purposes?

Also, if you don't find the idea of using a diesel or IC engine as a CO2 source acceptable, could you explain why? It might help to provide context. Do you intend to make fuel e.g. biodiesel?
 

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